What am I doing to these babies???

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Ok so this morning I noticed that raven was overly irritated by her headgear-so as we were up earlier than normal and I had time I figured I would take em down clean them and repost...

To my horror- I cut off the tape and she has an injury somewhat but not as bad like her brothers?

Am I wrapping too tight and that is what is causing them to scratch there ears to death?

I called vet they said to leave hers down now as well while injury heals and they both should be ok with in a week or so... I CANNOT POST UNTIL THEY ARE BOTH HEALED~

She is 18 weeks today and Cisco is 5months 4 days - They are dropping teeth a couple every day or so each...

My question is w/ having to leave there ears out for 7-10 days am I running the risk of them never standing... Ciscos ears are still standing ok (well the one, the injured ear is drooping from injury down.) Raven one is all the way up and the injured ear is drooping at injury site as well... But hers have only been unposted for a couple hours now, ciscos since monday

I am sick to my stomach that i ruined my babies ears and am hoping against hope I havent ruined them for good.

I am going tonight to get backer rod and order vet wrap and look for the tape jes suggested to me.

And I am going to just pray that they are young enough that they will stand!

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Oh no--double 'oh no', in fact.  I realize that Cisco and Raven have a longer crop than Ziva had done, but is there a way you can post their ears without wrapping the entire ear? I guess I mean, can you tape without covering the edges where they were cut?  Maybe that's how you've been doing it, though, I dont know.  I did Ziva's ear postings a little differently than most people do--I just had tape and a sturdy support taped up the center of each ear (inside and on the outside) then taped across the top in a sort of inverted V.  That kept the edges of her ears totally exposed to the air and they healed very quickly.  Here's what I'm talking about:

@ 10 weeks

 

@ 14 weeks

 

Poor babies--I hope their ears heal quickly so that the posting process can continue.  Dont give up---it's not called Ear Wars for nothing, you know.

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Mandy -- the kids will be okay.  It could be a reaction to the tape that you're using.  You've been taping Cisco for a long enough period I think if you were going too tight you would have noticed it before.

Also, they may be gnawing at each others ears when you aren't looking.  The only change Cisco's ears have had I'm guessing are the addition of Raven.

Rgreen I think posted a Cup on the Head method.  I did this for Steve when the edges of his ears got really sore from the taping when he was still healing.  It's just a styrofoam cup that you use to tape the inner (uncut) edges of the ears too and then you support the cup with a chin strap.  Maybe you want to try this method for a week while the edges are healing, that way you follow the vets recommendation but keep the ears up.

It's hidden in a thread here somewhere... maybe PM him to ask for how to do it.  I have a feeling until the edges heal a little this might be your best bet.

Do NOT get upset and do NOT panic, you will be able to get this handled.  If your vet doesn't have that tape just tell me and I'll pop down to my vet and ship you some if I have to!!

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Thanks Jes!!!! And Ziva's Dad too...

I am going to try something - I dont want them to lose what we have gained.... I am going to call the vet and see if they have the tape and if not I will email you w/ my info and send you a check for the tape- I have lots of research and a busy night ahead of me...

I am trying to stay calm I am just not suceeding at it!

My vet doesnt recognize tape - she said needs a name or brand

i found this but cant get a good look at it:

http://www.quickmedical.com/andover-cloth-veterinary-tape-290.html

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Oh you poor baby.. so sorry you're so  upset

Jess and Paul are right.. your kids are going to be okay.. Its YOU i"m worried about.

Take a deep breath and think of the worst case scenario..  so what if their ears are not PERFECT??? See.. now, would you still love them? Of course you would.. Besides, you and I both know worst case scenarios NEVER happen... They're going to be just fine! Hundreds  of people go through this cropping process every day. ( I know.. that doesnt' lessen your fear... but it might help to know you're not alone.

Much love and dont' forget to breath.

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Thanks Kate...

I have calmed down a bit- The vet called me back and talked me thru my crazies (its a word)

I told her about the tape jess recommended and how paul wrapped Ziva's ears and she said as long as we can creatively wrap and not cover the injury it is fine w/ her

I ordered a tape she recommended by 3M a porous cloth tape not zonas and vet wrap and am going to get backer rod tonight and josh and i are going to figure it out with the help of the threads on here...

Its just so heartbreaking to see them all battered and realizing it was probably something you caused! They both look like they were in dog fights- w/ the cuts and the bald spots and the droopy ears. And I think the Keflex is makin Cisco ultra sleepy and doubly pathetic looking....

Between this and Raven bathroom issues (and the steeler loss) Its been a rough few days...

I need one of those XANAX Cocktails we spoke of!

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Okay, dear Mandy...

... sending good thoughts and healing vibes to the kids..

It's got be so hard to see your babies injured, sick or even in discomfort

.. I know how that hurts your heart.. when Sofia took a header off the golf cart and got road rash on her little chin.. I was just beside myself.. we were only going a few mph.. she decided to investigate something in the bushes, and even though I had my hand on her halter.. she took off with such force that she rolled and got scraped.. I felt like it was my fault as we're the only ones who can protect our kids from EVERYTHING.

You're a good mom.. and they will be fine.. just take things one step at a time and call us if you need a "talk down"

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Thanks Kate~ XOXO

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I bet this tape she has you ordering is the same / very similar. Key word: porous, I just couldn't think of how to describe it.  I'm sorry!! Wee bit brain overloaded over here... I have midterms and things, so am on a lockdown, but will gladly go and pick this up if you need it.  You just let me know.  It's like 3.50 a roll.  the name I have on the tape is "Kendall: Curity"

Dogs are far more sturdy than you think... and trust me they aren't dwelling on this at all.  They are thinking: "when do I eat? when do I play? OH MY A PET YAY!!" They don't go, "Oh my god my mother is SO mean she went and did this to me..!!"

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Thanks Jess- she had me order 3M Porous Fabric tape - it was like 8 bucks a roll~ She said it is similar to the pics from what she can tell... She said it is far better than the Zonas because that is still super sticky and pulls out hair -t his should't - Ill let you know how it works when i get it next week...

You have been so wonderful through all my woe is me stuff! Good luck w/ your tests!!!!

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they still are cuties if i do say so myself~

I must have missed some major postings somewhere. What happened to Ciscos ears? What is the injury to Ravens. The pictures don't show anything.

If you ever are looking for the Zonus tape you have to order it at a pharmacy. It is made by Johnson and Johnson. This is the only tape I've ever used that I've never had allergy issues with and it is very gently and breathable. Not as much stick as most other tapes out there.

Maybe you could take a photo of the injury to the ear. There are so many different ways to tape, I'm sure there is something that you could do.

As far as them being ruined from a week most likely not, but if there is a way to wrap around whatever injury is there than that of course would be best. If they are heavy into teething this is the time that you want them wrapped.

They are cute!

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Ella's ears have tongue depressors wraped in tape on the uncut side for support and taped up that side. The stitches were left open to heal. It gives the ear something hard and sturdy to support it. It's working really well for her. And she hasn't messed with it. In this picture she still had her stitces in, you can see them.

 

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rnd the picture is under the could it be possible thread... posted by jensen....

Raven has similiar injury - I have been watching them and even in there cones the are ocd about scratching the ears...

the pic is on my work computer or I would repost it...

As for zonus it is what i am using and it seems super sticky to me- pulls all the hair out even with me applying baby oil....

I am going to try the 3m tape my vet suggested i ordered and it will be in next week. I am leaving them both down another day and then back up tomorrow after I get the backing rod from lowes...

I just looked at the photo that looks awful. Poor Cisco. Are they still in the same crate together, do you think they might be chewing on eachothers ears?

That is funny about the Zonus tape that is all I use anymore. I've never even had to use the baby oil to get it off. I have the tape cutting scissors and I cut right up the middle of the outside of the ear and roll it off. Never even pulls the hair out. I ordered a case of them and I've been out for awhile so I'm using other stuff from the feed and farm store. They have a good section of bandaging things. I hate the stuff I'm using now and have to soak it in baby oil to get it off.

What did you end up using for the bumper? It could be that it was rubbing in that area and caused this? Just throwing out some ideas. I don't think that you need to wrap the entire ear in tape. I've always just used the 3 pieces and it works fine. The important thing is holding the ear out in the 10 and 2 o'clock position while wrapping, that and taping the bottom first working your way up to the tip. That way you are able to keep the tension on the ear all the way up. Sometimes when people start wrapping at the tip and go down the ear is sinking as they tape and a good way to develop a pocket.

Let me know how the 3M tape works. I need to buy some new stuff but dont want at this point to order a case of it I'm hoping to be done wrapping one of these days lol.

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No they arent in same crate together- and I am thinking it could be from play... I am taking all this in and trying to figure a way to tape them without taping near his injury - we tried last night and it was a huuge fail with him - we got hers done with out taping anywhere near her cut but hers is not as large or bad as his...

I know the zonus tape worked fine at first the new case of it stinks... maybe a bad batch...

He right now has one ear taped one not... and his cone is destroyed from him trying to get it off and scratching attempts - I am going to the vet tonight to get a hard plastic one...

He is on Keflex and I hope that helps with the infection... I may take him and see if one of the docs can help me repost the ears with out taping near injury but i dont think its possible...

I am at my wits end... Thanks for the tip about 10 and 2... I can never seem to stretch the ear properly and am getting pockets on both pups...

Also bottom to top- I was doing top to bottom because it seemed easier but that does make snese- blonde moment i guess!!!

Thanks for all of your input guys - I so appreciate it!!!!

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We got a tear in Steve's ears from this crap tape I picked up from a medical store just down the street from us.  I did the cup-on-the-head method to just tape the inside of his ears up without taping along the edges.  The cup didn't last nearly as long as posts, but it gave us time to heal.  Maybe you could attempt a post like Ziva's.

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We are going to try try again tonight- We will figure out something! Its hard to figure out how to do it on him because of the location of injury~ Nothing ever easy I swear... I will keep you all aware and try and post pics if we succeed...

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The styrofoam cup may help if the right ear is clear from the middle forward. You would need a larger than normal cup because his is bigger than the normal 8-12 week old pup that uses the small coffee cup.

Another thought, out of the box. If you have a piece of something that is small in diameter and yet fairly stiff that you could tape the the front edge of the ear. In the cup method you cover the leading edge of the ear with tape and then tape that to the cup.

Here is Princess in her code head days:

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The open end of the cup had tape carefully taped over it. Then it was wrapped with tape. Then it was placed on her head and tape was put under her chin. The strip of tape that goes under in front of her right ear, came up behind the left ear and vice versa so they crossed under her chin. Then a few wraps around the cup to hold the ends on the cup. There was a fold of tape up the front (uncut) edge of her hears which in turn was then taped to the front of the cup (white tape in photo). The beige tape is the elastic type of tape.

Since the injury to Cisco is the back (cut) edge of his ear, if you can find something that you can put on the leading edge of the injured ear and then with a wide (approx 2") tape put half the tape on the inside of the ear and then fold over the stiffing rod and onto the outside of the ear.

Since you have tried using a plastic cone, I have used the term cup to differentiate.

Another thing, you really need to separate those two for a while. Both have ear injuries and you are trying to get them well. Their play does not help. I know it will be tough but their play could be aggravating the situation.

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outside right at the top of the bell and its a good 3/4" long... its also an open wound (well half of it is...) It is truly just a mess... It looks no better today than it did monday... I am going to check it at lunch and call the vet and see if either of them or the vet techs (2 of which have/had dobes) can help me out..

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I found the image and edited my post after you had posted.

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Thanks rgreen - They actually havent been going near one anothers ears except to try and lick off the neosporin... I was suprised... They basically just chase each other around in circles these days and steal toys off of one another... we have been keeping them seperate as much as possible, like potty breaks etc... they are crated seperately 8.5 hrs a day and at lunch its eat, potty, walk, back in crate... sleep is also seperate now... It is hard to keep them apart 24/7 - but as soon as play looks like its going in the rough direction baby gate is up and one is in kitchen on in Living room so they can see each other but no contact....

I am going to the vet after work and see what somebody there can do to help...

Here is another thought, you may want to try mole foam in the ear with the stir sticks that you get to stir a drink. The stir sticks just make it a tad stronger than plain mole foam. You can either sandwich it between 2 pieces of mole foam or tape it to the outside of the mole foam and the mole foam would be against the ear. Hopefully the base of the ear is standing well enough that this might work. what this is not good for is pockets though. So you will have to deal with that when the ear is healed enough to wrap again.

This would hold up better I believe than the cup method at this point. The cup method is really for puppies before the stitches are out. I'm looking at Romeos head and wondering where you would even get a cup that size. I realize that you can stack cups together for the length of the ear, I'm just thinking width wise. Do they make wide enough cups?

If you decide to do the mole foam you can buy it anywhere it is the stuff people put into their shoes for comfort. You make a template of the shape of the ear and cut it out. I would shave the inside of the dogs ears with electric shaver, clean well and let dry. You will also want to go buy some skin bond stuff. I use the Osto-bond brand it is a skin bonding latex adhesive. I believe I bought this at Wallgreens. You can check with local pharmacies.

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thanks des~ we ended up going the backer rod route (well modified version til he heels)

Hers was heeled in 2 days not evena scab left...

We ordered vet wrap it will be in on monday - a nice bright orange so I wont lose them lol!!!!
Weused the br method... but just used 3 pcs of tape.. He scratched at it in his sleep and broke scab open so I guess he will be sleeping in cone...

We took the bloody tape off and cleaned his ear again and the bottom strip we modified into a 1/2 thick strip and used both 8" pcs to secure bottom of post- its been holding for 45 minutes now lol and he is coned again so hopefully this will do it til we can wrap properly

 

I made her posts a little to short i think her tip is right at the edge... I will make them longer when we repost next week.... but they look ok and i dont even have to bridge her which is great they are standing nicely without...

Again if i can get a pic i will but it is hard because they are always moving unless in crate and asleep lol

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Mandy. So sorry you guys are having these ear issues! I wish I could offer something, but you've got all the experts on it. I'm sure you will make progress, just take it one day/pup at a time!

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Thank you ^^^^

I think we are getting there! Slow and Steady wins the race!!!!

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Mandy -- you aren't taping over the injury, right?  That's the only thing I'd worry about as taping and untaping around the sore spot will just lead to more headaches for you and Cisco... Steve was too old for the  cup method when I used it too but I just stacked cups on top of each other to get the height.

I was thinking about the modified versions of things.  Des, I really liked the mole skin idea.  But even with your backer rod or your current posts, you could post up but make sure you don't tape around the infected area.  You could even tape more on the inside edge of the ear in longer strips to secure the rod to the ear and go around outside it maybe.  Hard to think of.  I'm giving Steve a bath this weekend and though his ears are not nearly as long as your two, I'm going to think about how I'd work with him if he had injuries and take some photos of what I come up with.

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Thanks jes- We didn't tape near the injury but when he slept the tape did squinch up near it and cause some irritation -i removed that pc and cleaned the area and then i just cut the new tape in half and put it a bit lower and it is staying put and is about 1/2" from bottom of cut.... The vet said if we could get it to a scab then we could bandage over it- it is getting there just a small portion is still "open" .. it is definately on the mend! Which i am so relieved about - The vet said his ear is most definately not going to be perfect at injury site there will be some scarring - but they are going to still stand because of location but we just have to be careful and creative in posting over the next few weeks. He is teething hard right now so that is the issue. If he was a bit younger and not dropping teeth and getting teeth so rapidly we could have let them down for the healing process...

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Aww I am so sorry to hear this.  But don't worry they will heal and they will be okay!  Hang in there and be patient it will work out for you.

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Makes sense... I didn't think you would tape the injury but the bossy me had to ask anyway...

Keep us updated on how things go.  I thought we'd have a permanent nick in Steve's ear at one point.  When I took the tape off it tore his skin and it looked like I cut him with scissors~ I was really upset with myself.

Guess what? Can't even tell now.. I bet he'll have scaring but only an experienced eye would notice.

Are you letting him put his teeth under his bed for the Tooth Fairy? haha, jk.  

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Not a problem jess- again thats why I am here! You all have been such a wonderful addition to my cyberfamily and a great help to me with my babies...

Lol @ the Tooth Fairy! I should!

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Dear Jes, Kate, Paul, Desiree, Jensen, rgreen, bbroyes and control freak...

PLEASE TALK ME DOWN FROM THE LEDGE! I am gonna lose it! His beautiful ear was on the mend...

REWIND 8am: He was fine when I left this morning all cozy and sleepy in his bed... Tape and Cone in tact... Open wound starting to scab and the big nasty scab looked like it was about to come off. His ear was cleaned and medicated and he hadnt even acted like he would attempt to try and diassemble his new headgear-

FF 12:05pm: I came home to cone off tape a bloody mess, cone a bloody mess... Ear looks worse than it did day one (ok maybe I am being a teensy dramatic here) Needless to say scab is gone, ear is irritated and angry looking.... So i clean the ear cut the bloody tape off (which I have left off- there is no tape anywhere near injury just at the top of his ear and about half way up way above injury) I took some more tape and backtaped the post against inside of his ear after cleaning it.
Reapplied his headgear and put some neosporin on the cut. I have call into the vet and I am awaiting an answer...

 

While I am getting them ready to go back into their own crates - Raven decides the 4 times she peed at lunch were not enough and runs into CISCO's crate and lets it rip!

So i take her out she finishes her business... in the 30 seconds i was outside Cisco has removed his headgear again and was rubbing his ear all on the floor like I just cleaned them (you all know the routine I am sure!)

The vet tech said they may have to give him something to semi sedate him while I am gone so he will sleep and not OCD scratch at his wound... WTH???? Are you kidding me???? 

I am the one who needs the meds I think!

 

 

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A bottle of tranqs would do him well. I had to get some once for my older male Min. Schnauzer who at times just seems to go crazy, running around the house like he was possesed. I was visiting my late sister once with him and he started it. She called her vet and I went over and picked up a small bottle with about a dozen tranquillizers. It zonked him. He walked around slower and slower and slower until he fell asleep in the hall.

After that when the started running around like that, all I had to do was shake the bottle and he would stop and lay down. He remembered and did not was a second dose. I used to always take them with me when I traveled.

Eighteen months ago when Red was neutered, the vet gave me some to keep him sedated for several days, not that he could get to the stitches, as they were internal, but to help him start healing. I had to keep Princess away from him also as she just wanted to play.

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Wow, Mandy, you sure are being put through the total gauntlet with these ear wars.  Hmmm, it sounds like Cisco is scratching and working at getting that cone off now just out of habit.  Can you tape him somehow without using a cone?  Lightest possible taping and supports, maybe? I believe  I'd almost go with the sedation at least until the wound heals enough to stop all that bleeding.  Once it heals, it wont itch him so much, you know.  I dont know how effective this stuff is because I've never tried it myself, but I have seen ads and many positive testimonials for this product called Vet Aid Wound Care.

http://www.vetaidproducts.com/purchase.html

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I havent heard back from vet- they said they would call when he was done seeing patients-

I felt so bad I was even contemplating that -  but at this point its him or me!!! And I have to work to pay for all these vet bills lol!

Thank you for reassuring me its ok to give him those. I take your opinions and advice with great appreciation always!

My husband should be home by 4 today- he was done w/ work at 2 but he wanted to see his daughter get off the bus and suprise her w an early valentine so he just went and ran some errands while he waited for her to be done with school.

I am hoping he has a good report for me!

I'm so sorry you are going through all of this. Not fun at all I can imagine. The only words of advice I have "This to shall pass" Although at this point it probably doesn't feel like it LOL.

You may want to consider the mole foam. At least there is nothing to pop out it may be a little more comfortable to him, you wont have to worry about tape and he may leave it alone, although at this point it is probably the wound he is trying to get at. If you do decide to use it make sure you shave the inside of his ears or the glue may pull on the fur and make it more irritating to him, resulting in more scratching. Did the vet check inside of his ear to make sure that he doesn't have an infection or mite problem? Sometimes this will make them scratch like crazy.

Let us know what the vet comes up with.

I almost hate to say this part but thought I'd bring it up since the vet is suggesting meds. This last litter I had a puppy that had to have a very large hernia repair. This poor guy had metal stitches and a good 4 inches of them. He was separated from everyone else so he wouldn't be tempted to play and pop them out or ruin the extensive repair that was done. Within a few days he was bouncing off the walls in his pen wanting to play. I called my vet and told him what was going on and he gave me some tranquilizers for him. This is the bad part...whatever he gave him didn't work at all you couldn't even tell he was on them. I don't know if it was a puppy thing or if they just needed to be stronger. So maybe if you are going that route ask for a couple days worth to try rather than buying a large amount.

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Thanks I will ask him! And we may try the mole foam- josh said cone and ear were intact and not bleeding when he came home so that is good-

good to hear!

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Mandy, I'm so sorry you're going thru this!  I can't offer anything except moral support since both of mine have natural ears - it's been almost 30 years since I had to post my Danes' ears & I'm sure things have changed ALOT since then!

When Brinks had his surgery last year for the histiocytomas I had to give him tranqs.  The vet upped the dosage each time I brought him in with pulled stitches...  4 times in 5 days!!  I didn't really like having him dopey, but finally she (the vet) told me I could actually cause more damage by not giving the meds because at 16 months old he was a large package of "nuthin' but energy" & would continue to rip his stitches & staples.  The last time I had to take him in she told me that if it happened again there would be nothing to stitch to... 

So, when we find you "under the sink with the cooking sherry" (as Kate would say) know that we totally understand!  I personally would go for something stronger - Maybe Jack or Johnny!!!  (Daniels & Walker)

Good luck, & hold on to that knot in the rope!  You WILL get through this!

Hugs, Kisses & Scritches!

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When I was in Virginia, I came home one day and found that Windy and Hans had been playing and Windy in her enthusiasm had fanged Hansy on the right side along the ribs. I took him in and when I picked him up the next day (24 hours) he had two stitches in his side where she had cleaned and sutured the wound. He also had a e-collar which did absolutely no good. I got home the next evening (48 hours) he had both staples out and he was just happy as a clam. So, back he went. When I picked him up the next evening (72 hours) she had cleaned the wound again, and now he had stainless staples in his side.

Well, when I got home the next evening (96 hours) he had those out as well. So back to the vet we went (thank goodness she had later than normal hours) and when she looked at him, she then looked at me and said "He is his own worst enemy". She said to leave the wound open as there was nothing left to stitch to as he had eaten out the staples. It finally healed and to his last days (some 9 years later as he was about 2 at this point) he had that scar on his side.

They do have a mind of their own and are hard to control when they have a wound they want to work on themselves. Plus, if it itches, they are going to scratch. If they have something foreign in their skin the are going to nibble at it to get it out.

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Well needless to say I am under the sink w/ a bottle of grey goose and a bit of crystal light lemonade...

The vet never returned my call... which peeves me to no end... His ear is doing ok... I guess but just the fact that they didnt return my call upsets me because we have things to do this weekend and I can't waych him all day for the next 2 days... this too shall pass... I will figure it out I always do...

Thanks Marti for the moral support every little bit helps!

rgreen definately a mind of his own and as long as he is occupied and in my sight you would never know there was a huge wound on his ear!!!

Thanks for all your support all of you - you are all wonderful!

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Well needless to say I am under the sink w/ a bottle of grey goose and a bit of crystal light lemonade...

The vet never returned my call... which peeves me to no end... His ear is doing ok... I guess but just the fact that they didnt return my call upsets me because we have things to do this weekend and I can't waych him all day for the next 2 days... this too shall pass... I will figure it out I always do...

Thanks Marti for the moral support every little bit helps!

rgreen definately a mind of his own and as long as he is occupied and in my sight you would never know there was a huge wound on his ear!!!

Thanks for all your support all of you - you are all wonderful!

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Well needless to say I am under the sink w/ a bottle of grey goose and a bit of crystal light lemonade...

The vet never returned my call... which peeves me to no end... His ear is doing ok... I guess but just the fact that they didnt return my call upsets me because we have things to do this weekend and I can't waych him all day for the next 2 days... this too shall pass... I will figure it out I always do...

Thanks Marti for the moral support every little bit helps!

rgreen definately a mind of his own and as long as he is occupied and in my sight you would never know there was a huge wound on his ear!!!

Thanks for all your support all of you - you are all wonderful!

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Well needless to say I am under the sink w/ a bottle of grey goose and a bit of crystal light lemonade...

The vet never returned my call... which peeves me to no end... His ear is doing ok... I guess but just the fact that they didnt return my call upsets me because we have things to do this weekend and I can't waych him all day for the next 2 days... this too shall pass... I will figure it out I always do...

Thanks Marti for the moral support every little bit helps!

rgreen definately a mind of his own and as long as he is occupied and in my sight you would never know there was a huge wound on his ear!!!

Thanks for all your support all of you - you are all wonderful!

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Epiphany!!!! I finally really watched him- took his cone off to clean the wound yet again and left it off... I realize what he is doing! He isnt scratching it he is pawing it- He doesnt want to mangle himself but his dew claw isnt totally gone ( i had posted earlier about it) What he is doing is trying to gently rub his ear because its itchy and because his dew claw on that side isnt gone all the way he is tearing his ear up~  by trying to rub it ever so gently.... I mean he is barely putting his paw to his head and yet that little bit of nail is what is doing the damage... Cone is back on I dont want you all to think I am letting him continue = here is a pic of wound - doesnt do its postition or severity justice ( I am holding ear out straight to get a a decent angle---kinda upside down

Okay the question for you to ask yourself is what has changed that has made him all of a sudden start to bother your. Postings? You have been taping his ears for this long and never had a problem up until now. The bumper if done properly would not be they problem. I just find it odd that all of a sudden this would be a problem. He should be used to it by now.

Sometimes changes in schedule or more time crated can cause ocd problems such as this. Or does he have some type of a mite that is causing him to scratch more then usual. Honestly the last photo of his ear isn't as bad as I expected it to be. I can think of a few ways to wrap that. The mole foam I suggested would be one of them. If you really want an expert opinion I would email glengate and seek advice.

Have you looked up on theDPCA website for breeders in your area and asked them for help with the ears? Although I no longer a DPCA member I would not think twice to help anyone that contacted me free of charge.

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Epiphany!!!! I finally really watched him-

Ok, Mandy. I was going to suggest you to put Sherry, Jack and Jim back under the sink and get to know Mary Jane! But sounds like maybe you've done that!!! Really putting your frustrations out of picture to observe him. How about taping the dew claws? I couldn't believe my first time mommy eyes when my infant was brought to my side with tiny little mittens. The patient and understanding pediatric nurse explained it as a prevention to the infant's scratching his own face with those tiny, paper thin little fingernails. I'd never had any exposure to infants until Austin was born. I wouldn't have known!
I realize these paws are going to be really convenient for removal of whatever we might use to wrap them, but maybe a little Tabasco for the wrap (actual nail biting trick) Maybe combined with the doggie dope drugs... He'll be too wiped out to put much effort in removal of mittens and rubbing or scratching. Bless your heart. Can't really sit in the rocking chair with him all day! Ok, the kid needs all our forces so let's hit him with all we've got! Desiree is right about those mites. Had some with an Afghan and the itch will Not be satisfied!
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One more thing...
Breathe
Breathe
Breathe
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Thanks guys I will call the vet monday and get him checked- the picture really does the injury no justice or maybe I am just over dramatic.... it is just open and nasty- I will look for the mole foam today and maybe a little benedryl cream will help if it really is an itch...

Im not sure I would put benadryl cream on an open wound. Antibiotic ointment would be the best. On our last litter when they had their earcrops I used the kind that had a pain relief ingredient in it.
Your not over reacting, it would be very frustrating to go through. The open area is not in a good area as far as being able to post his ears. Glengate may have a better solution for wrapping other than the mole foam I would pm her with photos and ask. If you use the mole foam don't forget the stir sticks for strength

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I didnt put the benedryl on the wound - we are putting bacitracin on it... he seems like he trying to get the inside of his ear so I am starting to lean towards ear infection or mites...

I am calling vet and getting appt for monday...

It is looking a 100 times better this morning... I have him coneless right now and he isnt even bothering it- He cant eat with it on poor thing- so i have kept it off since breakfast...