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I agonized for weeks over whether or not to keep my puppy Maya's ears natural or get them cropped. Even had nightmares over the decision. FINALLY decided to let her stay natural - for lots of reasons.

She is now about 16 weeks old, and I am SO happy that I decided to leave her ears floppy. There is nothing that makes me happier than to see her running across my property leaping and playing with her ears flying out behind her. She is absolutely beautiful and the sight brings tears of happiness to my eyes.

While I do understand ear cropping is a personal choice and I honor whatever an owner decides, I just thought I would share with everyone how happy I am with the choice I made.

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AWE me too !

Check out my pics, floppy dobes are the best. 

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We have no choice in the UK but to leave them floppy (and tails undocked).  However, if I were given the choice I'd leave the ears as they are but definitely do like tails docked.

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I agree with you.  We left Athena's ears down as well.  She looks so adorable with them flopping in the wind LOL

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I too am a fan of the natural look. If I were to show a Doberman, I would definitely crop, but I know I could not find a vet in Baja who would do a proper job, I have zero experience with posting and not sure I have the patience or the wherewithal to do a good job, I like the natural look on all dogs ( including Poodles.. ) ( yes.. I like Poodles)I'm way too soft hearted to put a puppy through the procedure; even though it's been stated by experienced croppers, that if done right it's only an annoyance for the croppee. I do tend to humanize my pets way too much, so it's a personal choice for several reasons.

Dobermans are beautiful; cropped, docked, natural or not. My only concern is to not reward BYB's and lots of times irresponsible breeders will not crop for you.. I wonder if you can state, when purchasing a puppy from one of the better breeders if you'd like to keep the ears natural?

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I wonder if you can state, when purchasing a puppy from one of the better breeders if you'd like to keep the ears natural?

Oh, you can state it, but don't expect them to comply.  I'm not offering a Chinese menu for them to pick and choose their options.  My puppies come docked and cropped, period. 

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I gave my family a choice, only one of them, my sister in law, chose to keep her dogs tail. I do agree that all tails should be done, but it was her choice and not mine as she was the dogs owner and I respected that decision. I gave her my list of reasons why. I know the point for most  is to keep all dobermans looking the same, but I am the type of person who would rather not make a decision based on the general consensus. To each their own opinion. :)

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Either way, dobermans are so handsome! 

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I love Tayoh's floppies. One of my favorite things in the world is to sit beside him and play with his ears. They're so soft, and in my opinion, give him lots of personality. 
There are times, though, that I wish I would've had them cropped... like every time I get asked what kind of hound he is. D:

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Ive been thinking about the ears for my new pup but have decided to leave them natural.

As for the tail...well it's my opinion that its like injecting a babys face with botox at birth so they're never able to express themself.

I feel a dogs tail is one way they're able to express their feelings and so you can see what they're feeling. Also I'd imagine it helps with balance and control at high speed.

Each to their own tho :)

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I love all dogs in any shape or form, but I do recall numerous times that dogs with "whip-like" tails had to come in and have surgery on their tails due to injuries, Great Danes were the norm but others came in too; I would rather see the tail docked - the puppies (if done correctly) should not feel anything or have any issues because of it, however, an adult dog that needs to have injuries repaired they do suffer with pain and some actually have to have their tails amputated and it's called amputation because at adult age the structure is set and it's cutting of the bony structure, whereas puppies tails are still soft and pliable making pain less of an issue. I just feel that tails should be docked to negate any future issues. Fluffy tails don't seem to be as prone to injury. And dogs don't really use their tails like cats for balance and such as they do not climb like cats, now a search and rescue dog might be slightly different, but don't worry about balance issues with the normal dog having a docked tail, plus remember rotts and dobes were used in war time and had no tails and did alot of jumping, climbing and searching with no balance issues. Animals are much more adaptive than people - people literally think about why they can't do something and justify why they can't which actually keeps them from doing whatever it is, whereas animals just accept "this is the way it is" and they adapt and go forward. Where we might say wow they won't be able to balance or they won't be able to wag their tail and talk with the tail - the dog just makes a slight adjust and goes forward. My rottie has no limitations of being able to wag his butt instead of his tail and I can "read" that butt posturing and other dogs can read him just fine and vice versa......all without even a nub of a tail.

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Great pics Doberwoman!

I love your floppy dobes. Beautiful!

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I respect your opinion but it just doesn't seem like the right thing to do for me, personally. They were born with tails and floppy ears. People break limbs and people have problems because of this and they also move forward and accept "this is the way it is" too depending on the person and their knowledge of who they are and how they have been conditioned to deal with certain conditions that life has thrown at them. We are a self aware species. I guess you can't really imprint human emotions and thought processes, coupled with social responsibilities on to a dog. We're two different species...

Like I said...each to their own.

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@killa beez

dogs can express themselves in tons of other ways like body language(there's a section on body posture on this site) and docking doesn't completely disallow movement as most pups have nubs as to which they wag apart or along with the back end of their bodies. Dobermans have very long tails which can hurt the dog (slam in doors or wag against hard object like brickwall and cause the tip to bleed, ive seen this in pits it is very painful for the dog ) or can make possibly harmful contact with your children when The pup gets excited. If you ask me there are way more pros to docking than are cons. 

@Talisin I agree completely with you on your response :)

@Mystical Blonde thank you! :D

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Thanks and yes seeing those injured tails is horrific and then those elizabethan collars to keep them from chewing on the tail while it heals even the dogs don't like it. And as a 100% leg amputee (nothing left to be able to wear a prosthetic) I do understand "this is the way it is" as that's how I live my life and have for the past 22 years without a leg and using crutches. So I fully understand how dogs can move through something without getting caught up in the emotions of the situation. I learn every day from my animals........like I said earlier I love them all, but I also know that docking and cropping is not the process it used to be.......

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My Dobe Hank has floppy ears, which I do love to play with and are so cute, but I too sometimes wish they were cropped especially when I am on a run for the "presence" the cropped ears give and also when people ask me if he is a hound too. I also had a hard time finding a vet willing to crop the ears where I live, since he was 12 weeks old. All the same he is beautiful and the best Dobe ever!

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Any peer-reviewed scientific studies out there on the issue? Certainly with cropping and docking being outlawed in some countries there are plenty of dobes to use as control groups. When the AVMA takes such a strong stance on cropping, you have to wonder.

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I love those soft velvet ears, I do have to say I was soured on the cropping procedure watching someone care for cropped ears that was impatient and not kind to the poor dog. I just prefer the natural look, but I do agree either way they are simply handsome dogs.

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Both of my dogs are auh-natural.  for lots of reasons.  However, everytime I see Glengates, Fitzmars, DJ, Sofia,oh,no, the rest of you, you know who you are, I do so wish I had Tony and Tory's ears cropped.  Take a look up at Glengates avitar, man, what a georgeous dog.  I am in no way sorry I left my 2 floppy, I was working 2 jobs, 2 kids in college and had neither the time or the money ( or the vet) to crop their ears. I do so love "the look of eagles"  hmmm, maybe next time...

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we cropped leo's ears, shewwww so much work with posting and vet visits. we just added out 2nd dobe to the fam (nola) and we are going to leave her ears down. first it was not fun at all for leo or us posting every week, and we think it will be so cute with the male with cropped mean manly ears and the female with her long girly ears.

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As someone said, it's illegal to crop/dock in the UK.

I'd never crop...I wouldn't have the time or the inclination to do it properly, and then of course I'd have a Dobe with botched ears that could've easily been avoided. I would have had Kay docked, though. She wags her tail so much, and so hard, and just flings it around everywhere, that I know she'll end up needing it amputated one day.

She can't communicate very well anyway, and she has a tail, LOL!

My last Dobe had his dew claws removed, but Kay still has hers. The fact she has them doesn't cause me or her any problems, and Jack having his removed didn't really impact his or my life much, so I'm not really sure if, given the chance, I'd have had Kays' dews removed. If she had dew claws on her back paws, then I'd definitely have had them removed...I find them so creepy. I don't even know why.

I love seeing a nicely cropped/docked dog, just like I love seeing a Dobe with nice triangle ears and a curved tail. Dobermans are Dobermans, pointy ears or no pointy ears.

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my Betty has floppy ears, by my choice, I know there are people who do not know what kind of dog she is but that doesn't bother me I didn't get her as a status symbol and don't mind if her breed is unknown to some. I went over the pros and cons and to me floppy won because she looks sweet this way and I wanted people to be unafraid of her, she will be around a lot of people as she hangs out in my art studio where I also sell work to the public. People are often in fear with Dobies and if they don't know she is a donberman they do not have that reaction, people who know right away are usually Dobie lovers. 
Her tail is docked, the breeder did this before I even found him to request no docking so I didn't have to make that choice. 

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DobieWanKenobi wrote:

"illegal to crop/dock in the UK"

Wait until PETA takes away your right to even selectively breed dogs, just like what they did with cropping and docking. They don't even support legit breeders.  You won't even be able to own a Doberman legally if they get their way.  Scary right?  

Right from their website:
"Simply put, for every puppy or kitten who is deliberately produced by any breeder, an animal in an animal shelter dies. Producing animals for sale is a greedy and callous business in a world in which there is a critical and chronic shortage of good homes for dogs, cats, and other animals, and the only "responsible breeders" are those who, upon learning about how they contribute to the overpopulation crisis, spay or neuter their animals and get out of the business altogether."

You can read the article here on their website:
http://www.peta.org/about/why-peta/responsible-breeders.aspx

Just something I would be deeply concerned about this if I already lost my right to simply follow a breeding standard for my dog.  I have noticed a lot of people from the UK and Australia on this site mentioning it's illegal to crop and dock dogs there.  I thought this would be important to know about because your rights have already been taken away and if they did it once, you know they are going to try again.     

Fletcher is cropped and docked and I especially love how majectic he looks when he sits at attention.  Natural or Cropped a Doberman is still a Doberman and I love them all.  In the end if you and your dog are happy nothing else matters ;)   

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Axel is not cropped but he is docked. I like everyone else made a conscience decision, but I have to admit I LOVE the cropped/docked look.  I just wasnt comfortable with the posting process and the fact that I have other dogs and they play all the time.  Seriously my boxer/rott mix who is 7 is right now running around the backyard and Axel is in tow. I just didnt think I wouldn't do his crop justice and their is nothing sadder than a crop gone wrong. Maybe down the road when I get another Dobe, because I will always have a Dobe, I will have the cropped look. I just wanted to add my two cents in on this wonderful thread.

 

Tess

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Just wanted to give everyone an update on my Maya's ears...........

She is now 7 months old and I have never regretted for a moment that I left her ears natural.

There is nothing that makes me happier than to see her running around my farm as fast as she can with her natural ears just a-flyin'!   She is so sweet, happy and silly that I am glad I didn't take the chance on making her "grumpy" (and me too I'm sure!) by all the posting and fiddling with her ears that I know we would have had to do.

Don't get me wrong, I love the look of a cropped ear, but I have to tell you, I love the natural ear look just as much!  

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My Athena's ears are Natural, and I'm glad I left them that way.

Don't get me wrong, I would have LOVED her ears cropped. If they had been done before I got her, it would have been great. Dobermans look amazing with cropped ears! But as Tess said about her pup Axel, I had the same situation. I got my Athena when she was 7 weeks, and I have a 3 year old Siberian Husky (Apollo). I was seriously debating on wether or not to get Athena's ears cropped after I got her... Untill I got to see how Apollo and Athena played. Ear biting, slamming, running, chasing, pawing, tug-a-war. It is a never ending play date, all day long.

 If I would have gone thru with the Ear Crop, then the taping and posting would have to be done Multiple times per day. Not to mention the pain Athena would have been in when Apollo bit her ear, or bumped her. It would have been irresponsible of me to get it done.

But now that I see her running around with her ears flapping above her head, and the way she uses them to express her feelings, I'm glad I left them Natural.  Her big ears are so soft, and she LOVES her ears rubbed. She's still a beautiful doberman!

I'm not really sure if it would have made her hearing better or not, but she does alert me to ANY noise around the house or yard, or at the doors. Most of the things she barks at I can't even hear.. It's amazing the things she can hear that I can't even see yet. Anyway, I love her. She's such a great girl, my little protector. I wouldn't change her at all.

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Natural Ears, Docked Tail.