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My husband bought me a dobie for my birthday and she was about 3 months when we got her. The person we got her from cropped her tail to LONG lol she has half a tail... and her ears wern't done. We had alot of things going on that month and coulnd't "afford" to get them done nor did we have the time. things have calmed down and she is 5 months and i was lookin at her nd some pics and really really want to get them done. But i read that if you get them done after 13 weeks there are problems with them standing up and possibly being floppy pointed ears. We are stationed in Albany GA so we would have to go to Atlanta GA. Which is no problem. But i dont want to spend the money if she is going to end up looking like Bat man. lol. She does look cute with her floppy ears but everyone thinks she's a hound dog :( Any ideas?

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Welcome!!!!!

Is she having trouble sitting? If so, I would spend the money on getting her tail fixed rather than her ears. I suggest not doing her ears, just because if you can't get them to stand, then there was no point in getting the surgery in the first place. Just some things to think about.

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5 months old is definitely too old to crop the ears.  I wouldnt imagine you'd even be able to find a good vet willing to do it this late.   Nothing wrong with floppy ears.  She's going to be exactly the same dog no matter what her ears do.  Just love her for who she is.  Tails are normally docked when the puppy is 3 - 5 DAYS old.  It's considered a minor surgery at that time and requires only a couple or so stitches on the incision and heals pretty quickly. Anything done to tails after that is considered major surgery and requires anesthesia and a much longer healing time. 

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Her tail gets in the way of her sitting.. because from what i read it's suppose to be docked between 3-5 somewhere but she's 5 months and her tail is like 5 inches long. when she goes to sit on our mastiff her tail ends up bending upwards and she barks at our mastiff like she caused it lol. but after reading the comments... i think she would look to mean if i got them done :S lol she does look just too cute with those ears.

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I called our vet who has been doing ears for a while. I sent a picture and he said because her ears have alot of cartilage and she's still young, they will turn out good. He did adult ears before and there was an 80% chance of them standing and 90% did stand if the owners listened to what they were told.

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I would still get her tail fixed if it makes her that uncomfortable. It won't hurt your baby not to have her ears done, but if you don't get her tail fixed, she'll be uncomfortable for the rest of her life.

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I definitely think she is WAY TOO OLD to have her ears done!  Her ears have been "bent" over for 5 months now and the cartilage has set that way.  Not too mention I cannot imagine a vet being able to tell what kind of cartilage the ears have from a picture IMO.

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HI there Dakota_dobie

Welcome all of you... I really enjoyed reading the profiles you posted on Phoenix and Dakota. We have a Dakota here on the forum with an un docked tail and gorgeous natural ears.. I like the look..  most of our Dobermans are such sweethearts, I think it portrays their lovely nature. And in fact your Dakota looks alot like KevinK's Dakota.

I think it's a little too late to crop Dakota's ears, but I am far from an expert.. There are folks here who are, and will be more than happy to lend their thoughts and experience.

It doesn't say where you are from.. but once again, welcome to Gentle Doberman Forum and Semper Fi !!

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I wouldn't risk it... not only is the possibility of them never standing an issue, but also as the cartilage hardens it no longer becomes a minor surgery...

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And yea Kate, our 2 Dakota's look very, very similar!!  My girl is about 8.5 months now give or take, but looks like a 2-3 month old dobe.

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Wow, 3 Dakotas, and all with floppy ears!  I'm gonna have a tough time keeping us all straight haha!  And welcome, btw! :) 

If her tail is not bothering her I would leave it because it is a rather expensive surgery.  We just had to get our Dakota's tail fixed because it was never stitched shut and there was raw cartilage and nerve endings left exposed, which were pretty painful for her.  It was a bit cheaper because she was being spayed at the same time but if we had done just the tail we were looking at around $800.  Recovery time is 2 weeks before the stitches can be removed. 

I agree with wolfgirl - the tail should take priority over the ears!  Ears are just cosmetic and she will be just as happy either way - after all she doesn't care what she looks like!  Plus the chances of them actually standing are pretty slim, so it would most likely be a lot of work for nothing.  And once she reaches full size no one will mistake her for a hound! 

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Also.. As Kevin said it isn't minor. The recovery time will be harder. It will be harder too for you.

I get that you want the ears done but it's unfair to your dog in my mind at this point.

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I have to agree with all the above folks!  If she's not going to be shown in the confirmation ring there really isn't a reason to have to get them cropped.  I don't see how any vet would tell you they have an 80-90% chance of standing based solely on a picture!  Red flag there!  Sounds like he's more interested in the $$ you'll spend than in the best interests of you or your pup. 

If you read through some of the threads here you'll see some of the "situations" owners are having with ear pockets & creases & so on...  & their surgeries were all before 13 weeks.

I have 2 doberkids - both uncropped - so, I can tell you that when she reaches maturity, no one (unless they are really not "dog" people) will think she's a hound!  No one has ever mistaken my 2 like that.

Good luck with your decision...  Keep us updated on the newest Dakota

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Embrace the floppy ear! 

We get questions every day why we didn't crop his ears. Don't feel like you have to. I always say- I don't want to give my baby a face lift, (even though I love cropped ears as well on dobermans). 

If your girl is like my boy, his ears half the time flip back when he is walking/playing. 

If the tail is really bothering her, I would look into that. 

If you keep them floppy- make sure to clean them frequently. They get dirty-quick!

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3 months is the DEADLINE. I got my females done at about 3 and a bit months are they are perfectly fine.

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Just joined here yesterday, i live in the uk where all docking and cropping is illegal , just embrace her lovely ears my Bella has had the most fantastic comments about her looks , they are so sweet with there floppy ears there is really no need to cut them off just for looks, we would'nt do it to our children,  would we ?

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Hi Dakota_Dobie

I had a problem similar to yours when my dobe was a pup, I wasnt financially able to get his ears cropped during the age parameters most vets set up for that kind of surgery. I believe Don was abou 5 months old when I was able to go ahead with getting his ears cropped. It was absolutely a risk, His ears turned out just fine he looks great but I was running a great risk that in the end they wouldnt turn out looking like they would for a 3 month old undergoing the same surgery. My mom recently got a dobe herself and took her at 4 and half months and they didnt turn out nice at all. Id have to advice that before putting your precious dobe through all that recovery, paying a surgery that at her age will be much more expensive, and before risking a bad outcome, you prioritize her tail which has become a bit of a bother for her! In the end ears cropped or not, she will always be a doberman, it wont change her. Hope this helps!

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Welcome Jad!  What a beautiful girl you have there!  My daughter spent a couple of years in Germany and I was fortunate to go over and visit her.  While there, I went to see Dobermans working out at the Schutzhund clubs.  What I saw were tails and ears!!  Some had tails done, but most not.  My daughter got used to seeing the Dobermans all natural and has decided when she is ready for her very own dog, it will be with ears and tail, all natural.  We have had a couple requests for tails left natural on our pups and I have no problem with that!

Hope you enjoy the forum!

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Our breeder asked us a dozen times if we were sure if we wanted to keep the ears. ha-ha. I don't think many ask to keep them natural in the states. We had to pay for it anyway, because it was included in the price. 

Did you decide to let them flop? I mean, if it really means alot to you, one day you can add to the family with another Dobie!