Griswolds ears are coming along- week 3.5

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One more.  They arent quite there I am thinking another 2 posts?  What do you guys think?

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Post untul you think they are done and post another couple weeks after that... My kids have long crops and i am months in.. they were both cropped really young 6 weeks its what the breeder does and they are 5 mos 1 week and 4 mos 3 weeks old.... they are nowhere near done! He is a cutie pie is Griswold from Vacation????

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Yes! Griswold is from vacation..it reminds me of my family and has always been one of those movies that makes me laugh. He is doing well with his ears..but yes I have heard it could be months. Which is fine, we want them to be as good as they can. It's funny..when we initially take him out of crate or he wakes up his ears are kinda like bat wings..then once he starts playing he stands them up almost perfectly.

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Griswold's ears are looking good, but I have to agree w/ Mandy---even when you think you're done with posting, go at least one more week.  Better safe than sorry.

And keep in mind teething usually causes droopiness

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My vet seems to think that Ellas ears are done after 3 weeks but I got them reposted just to be sure. I'll probably keep posting for at least a couple more weeks.

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Griswold has developed these small bumps all over his ears and around his ears..they aren't visible but you can feel them. Any clue what they are..should we be concerned?

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Update on this just in case anybody has the same issue in the future.  The lumps on Griswold's head were caused by a allergic reaction to the tape on his head.  A couple days of antibiotics has done the trick. 

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Glad to hear that the bumps weren't anything more than a tape allergy.  I didnt respond earlier, because I had no idea what it could have been.  Thanks for the update.

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My girl Raleigh is now 5 months old. We posted her for about 4 weeks after her cone was removed and her ears stood perfectly until a couple of weeks ago. One continued to stand but one developed a cup and began to lean in. I suppose this was because of the voracious teething that is going on now. After a little off-line advice from Des, I've reposted with the bumpers and we are pressing on.


My experience is that the ears can stand perfectly early on but teething may require further postings.

 

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We are experiencing this now.  We had the posting removed last thursday and Griswold's ears stood perfectly through Sunday but then his left ear bent out to the side.  He is now re-posted.  I believe this around posting number 7 or 8.  I may be wrong about that because it seems like alot more.

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Raleigh's dad.. you have some beautiful girls there.. oooo it looks so cold.Is that a frozen fountain in the background?? Brrrrrr

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That was from a freak cold spell in DFW in early February. The lake (with fountain) in front of our neighborhood was iced over. Much warmer now thank you very much!

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OH I see you're from Texas too...( I'm not really FROM Texas,, just lived in Dallas for a long long time.. one of our daughters lives in Austin. )

I remember when that snow storm hit DFW in Feb.. what a surprise!! A lot of SuperBowl fans were a little worried.

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Awww....Griswold looks like Samson! Samson is now 14 weeks old. His ears were cropped Feb 15 (11 weeks) and stitches and bandages taken out on the 25th. His ears stood for about a week and then a few days ago they started to cross at the center of his head. Soooo...his ears are now posted for the first time after having his stitches removed. I originally visited this post just to see pics, but I've had a lot of questions answered just by snooping! Has anyone experienced their Dobie's ears droop inward to the center of the head rather than outwards?

LBurke, it is no wonder his ears pointed in towards themselves. I've never heard of any dog getting cropped and not having the ears posted afterwards even if they were short military style. What has happened is they have sunk and developed a pocket which causes them to draw towards the center.

What you are describing is very common in dogs that have developed a pocket in the ear. You will need to post his ears just a tad bit differently to get rid of the pocket. I've responded to several questions about pockets already in different ear threads with the directions on how to get rid of them. Instead of retyping everything I will dig around and see if I can come up with a link to one of them.

Here is a link I found to one of the post where we talked about pockets.

http://www.gentledoberman.com/forums/doberman-pinscher-discussion/doberm...

Here is a photo tutorial link that I give out all the time that shows how they wrap to prevent pockets. This is the same method that you use to get rid of a pocket once it has developed. The important thing to take away from this tutorial is what they call the bumper. This is what you will need to do with your dogs ears for awhile. It doesn't matter what material you use to do your posting you can use cotton balls for a bumper. Also important as you are wrapping to hold the dogs ear out in a 10 and 2 oclock position and keep tension on the ear as you pull it up. Start with the base tape first and continue to pull the ear up on the post as you wrap.

http://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-corner/47747-ear-posting-directions-ph...

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rndobermans: After I posted that last post, I actually found previous posts with those links you added. Great, great example for us that have no idea what we're doing! (I'm totally speaking of myself here! lol) His ears are posted now via the vet so I'm not sure if they added anything like a "bumper," but she did comment on him having a pocket. When you say pocket, that would be on the outer part of the ear that is closest to the center?

With the ears in a 10 and 2 o'clock position, is that to train the ear to go upwards since the ear is wanting to lean towards the center?

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We are now into week 9 since Griswold had his surgery. We have been reposting nearly every week since then. His left ear has been nearly perfect from the start...his right ear however is very stubborn and will stand for a couple days after the posts come off then start to flop again. Is this normal to be almost into month 3 with the reposting? He had a medium crop..not show crop. We are trying to be patient but are starting to get concerned that this ear may not ever stand right!!

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http://www5.snapfish.com/snapfish/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=3299117026/a=52...

 

here is a link to pics I took this morning. He just had the posts and tape removed today so they look good here

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How badly does the ear flop?  Ziva has occasions, especially when she is tired or sleepy, where her right ear will bend from almost the center of her ear and just fall forward.  BUT...if something gets her interest, or if we go for a walk, she stands her ear right back up like it's supposed to be.  My vet said she has a "lazy muscle" and she needs to exercise it to strengthen it...so I have squeaky toys and other things I use to get her attention and perk her ears up when she lets the right one get lazy.  I also still use a breathe-rite support in her ear every once in awhile.
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When it starts to flop on about day 3 after posts come out..it pretty much won't stand back up at that point. It bends from the center and flops out. I'm wondering if we should see if the vet has another technique for posting. What is the method with the breath right strips?

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from WHODATROLLTIDE: What is the method with the breath right strips?

Breathe-Rite strips (I only use the 'Extra Hold' ones) are stuck to the inside of the ear to usually help support the ear tips, but Ziva's right ear sometimes has a weak spot at about mid-way on the outer edge of her ear and if I adhere one of these to her ear, it will support it enough to keep it from flopping forward when she's tired or sleepy---something that she does once in a while, still.   You need to make sure that the inside of the ear is free from any dirt or natural oils or the strip wont stay any longer than it takes the dog to shake its head.  I use an alcohol wipe to clean her ear, and as soon as the alcohol dries, I stick the strip in place.  It will usually stay 3 - 4 days before the bottom edge starts to loosen up, and by then, she's good to go for who knows how long....sometimes another week or two, sometimes another month or two.  I've heard of dobie owners using some sort of skin bond glue to hold them in better, or even eyelash glue, but I dont do anything except clean her ear out really well and stick it in there.  It's almost not even noticeable unless you're looking for it, and it doesn't seem to bother Ziva the least bit.  Here's how it looks inside her right ear right after it's applied.

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Don't worry about another technique of posting them, Zelda has the same problem with her ears. Right now, it's almost a week and her ears are barely flopping over this time. Maybe about 6 more posts until Griswold is ready to have them off for sure :D Zelda needs about 4 more postings after this since her ears are doing so well so far.

Good luck with those darned ears XD

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Rolltide - Don't forget that teething can also cause the ears to droop (I picked that up from Alpha, RnD, Glengate & RGreen - my 2 are uncropped).  Here's what Alpha says on this site:

After wrapping and posting for weeks, the ears stand but then fall down

If you have been wrapping and posting the cropped ears for several weeks or months, they should be showing signs that they intend to stand. If, after removing the wrapping, they stand, you may be finished. However, if within an hour or so they flop down, or especially if they fold over, immediately re-wrap them.

During this period in the puppy’s life, they are teething; and Dobermans teeth fast and hard. The pain from teething causes stress, which cycles up and down. The stress can cause the ears to droop when the pain is bad. Once the pain reduces, so will stress and the ears usually come back up. This can happen many times until teething is over.

To be safe, keep the ears wrapped until you are sure they are trained. And remember, cropped ears are not supposed to stand all the time, just when the dog wants them to, but they should never fold down with a crease. Cropping returns the natural abilities of the ear that the long and floppiness takes away.

So hang in there - it will get better!

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Great info everyone. We appreciate the feedback. I guess for now we will just keep on doing what we have been and hope for the best! We will keep you updated on his progress. On a side note Gris is graduating from Puppy Training class today : )

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Hi Roll Tide, are you in central AL by any chance? I am in Pelham.

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Congrats Griswald!! Hope to see some pictures with the cap and gown and chewable tassel !!

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@new to dogs...we are in South Alabama..Mobile. @Lady Kate, Griswold was none too thrilled about wearing that cap : ), but we managed to get one pic and I'll post it this week sometime.

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update: we had the posts removed today but his right ear hasn't improved at all! So we need some advice. Our vet has been taping on a Tuesday and removing the posts on Friday.  Then the ears are free for 3 days. I'm reading alot on here that leads me to believe that if one ear is flopping like Griswold's we should immediately retape. Problem is our vet has always done it this way. Should I approach him about doing it differently? Or do we continue to be patient and the ear will eventually stand? Griswold is 4 1/2 mon old and we had the surgery at 10 weeks. Thanks for any advice!

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http://www5.snapfish.com/snapfish/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=3340715026/a=52...

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Ok so we are still having trouble with Griswolds right ear.  It hangs out to the side while his left stands perfectly.  Our vet told us normally the ears he does stand at 4 or 5 posts.  I know from this site that it can last much longer than that based on teething.... My concern is that I think we have regressed in the training of his "bad" ear. When we first started having them posted the weak ear would stand for a day or so then revert back to flopping outward.  Now after posting it immediately goes limp.  We took him to the vet today and that ear was infected so no posting for now until the ear heals.  He spent the day at the vet today so the vet could examine him and explore using breathe right strips.  I knew this would be a challenge I just hope the ear stands.  If it doesnt I will love Griswold just as much and I guess he would truly be well, a Griswold.

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We are having a time w/ Ciscos and Ravens as well- we have also regressed... I am going to a new vet who have "ear techs" since she does the cropping in this area (didnt do my dogs)

If I get any useful tips monday I will pass them along...

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Thank you very much.  Not giving up but starting to worry.

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ME TOO!!!!