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im just going to give up. i am at my wits end. i really need some help if you are in the houston area!

The vet techs or whatecver they(everytime i take lily the main vet who did her crop is not there) do not post her ears. its about a 45 minute drive every tuesday for me and no RESULTS! okay so i posted myself and took her back last week(Sat.) so they could show me the correct way and etc. etc. well he takes my wrappings off and does not use adhesive remover(poor lily) and tells me her ears need to stay down all weekend. wtf! i didnt say that but i was thinking it!! what i did say was" i think that is going to cause a problem becuase first of all she had her ear crop done about 14 wks. and second her ears have not been posted correctly this whole time and 3rd her ears are going to permanently stay this way and you(the clinic) will say it was my fault due to non posting. he assured me they wouldnt. im not so ASSURED!! i forgot to mention he said it was becuase one of the wraps was too tight at the base of one ear. i did not think it was bc i could stick my pinky in there. so this is whats going on with lily ears. one ear flops down and has a huge wrinkle on it and creases in the middle. the other ear lays over her head and still has the pocket. against vets orders ive still been posting but for one day.only now becuase im scared their gonna  always be  to tight now, i made an appt with Brittmore Animal hospital(they also do ear cropping) for thursday to have her ears taped. they charge 50$$ to just tape her ears.  and spike is still not getting better. i dont think the meds are working for his thyroid. he seems to be losing alot of his hair still if not more :( i just dont know what to do anymore. so ifANYONE is in houston area or knows a good DOBERMAN VET please let me know. because all this is making me go crazy. insane is more of the word im looking for. oh forgot ot mention Lily demodex was better but now is not improving its actually looking like the day i got her, :( the vet said this flea medicince PROMERIS is really good for the demodex but it was a 100 for a 6month supply. i didnt know if he was just trying to push the product or not but i bought it anywasy becuase i need these dogs to get better asap!! 

keep posting yourself, your vet ovbviously didn't know what they were doing in the first place or they wouldn't have had you keep them down for so long and develope the pocket. What was the reasoning behind not posting them? Even  if they were wrapped to tight what is going on now that you cant wrap them. I thought your last wrap you did was okay, of course nobody can tell if they were to tight but you and it could be all the tape you put on it that caused it to be tighter, but again you have successfully wrapped your other dogs ears the same way without doing it to tight. What exactly did he see that made him think they were wrapped to tightly?

You just need to know this is not going to be fixed overnight. It takes work! I'm not a vet and cant see what your vet is seeing but I do know that most vets really don't have a clue. Have you tried to find out if there are any DPCA members in your area that may be willing to help you with wrapping? I'm not sure I would trust this particular vet to wrap them he didn't do it right to begin with.

demodex can be VERY HARD to get rid of and can be quite costly. Do your own research on it.

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Listen to RnD she really knows what she is talking about when it comes to ears!

How long has she had demodex and how bad is it?

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Promeris is a good product although I have never heard of it's use for demodex.

Maybe find another vet in your area.

Rnd is good on ears. Time for you to get confident in this. I had no one show me, just general bandage wrapping experience. All the links given here and advice got us through.

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Have you tried to find out if there are any DPCA members in your area that may be willing to help you with wrapping?

@ RND . no please point me in right direction. i just typed this long ass paragraph and my computer deleted it instead of putting it on here. omg !!! so here i go again :(

the vet was recommeneded by doberman talk and i am very happy with the crop just not the aftercare im recieving. they didnt put in cup after crop jsut left them down. when stitches came out they left them down and then the ear wasnt healing bc of stitch left in so they wanted them down. and now i posted to tight so they want them down. i took those posts off the one i had pics of bc they were too bulky. i reposted better. then a few days later i took her ears off to clean them and repost. i noticed her ears slanted and were not standing at all. well it was late and i ran out of coach tape(used all on her ears that night) but i wanted to practive making a brace. so i used the vet wrap and it looked really good. it was at the 10 and 2 postion and wasnt tight. she still had movement. the next day was our appt to have the vet wrap them so i didnt think much of it. that brace was on for about 8-9 hours only. but when he unwrapped them he said the wrap was too tight and that her ears need to be left down because they were swollen( i didnt see any swelling) and red( he ripped the tape off...duh). so he wanted them down for the weekend. i know they cant be fixed overnite but i need to know that they are permanently going to stay this way. her appt was today again but i do not want to drive all the way out there for them to do nothing again for the 5th time. ive made an appt with the brittmore animal hospital for this thursday to have her ears taped professionally.

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I seem to have missed the first part of all this.  Did you buy Lily? Did she have demodex when you did?

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i believe she has had demodex since birth but her previous owner said she found her that way.total bullshit. soory for all the typos but this is my third rime writing this my damn computer erases everything i write when i hit bckspce button. ive done my research o  dempdex. the owner lied to me and changed her phon e number after i got her to find out where she bought lily or who gave her to them?? lily is still on ivermectin and has been since i got her which was back in january. it was getting bettre but now its look like like getting worse. she was really bad when i got her. she had no hari on back along spine, no hair between her shoulder blades, face and legs,  burns from some dip thw lady gave her and a skin infectioned in her armpits that were blistered, scabbed ,oozinf and hurt her when she walked.  took her to vet and put her on ivermectin, and antioniotocs, and gave her shots. she was 12-13 wks old when i  got her.

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yes i bought lily fro a lady claiming tohave found this pup in this condition. on craigs list. yes i know craigs list but i could not resist this cute face. and she said she had demodex. so when i went to go looka t the dog i could not leave her in tht condition with thise people so i took her gave the laday 200 and left. i took lily to the vet the  next day and tried calling the lady back to get more info and it siad phone was disconnected.

again i apologize for all the typing errors. im so upset and frustrated and just sad.

im uploading pics of lily ears before i post them back up. she is about 16-17 wks and i think is still teething.

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Well, I'm glad you got her away from that woman, she sounds like a nut case, and probably the one that did the original butcher job on her ears. (I just read the past posts),  I was worried that a breeder sold her with demodex.  I can imagine how frustrated you are.  I love the look of cropped ears, but it's not for me unless I was going to show.  Seeing everyone's frustration, I'm glad I made that easy decision.  But you had to do something to try and fix it.  As for the demodex, it's a long haul.  I used to be a vet tech, and we gave weekly dips back then for it, and even then sometimes not successful.  It's got to do with their immune system too, not being able to fight it off.  

Wow, you have your hands full with these 2 and I pray you find the strength to perservere with their issues.    Now tell us about how wonderful their personalities are..

Just yesterday I saw a 2 yr. old red female Doberman on Craig's List for a $150 rehoming fee, don't think I wasn't tempted just to save her.  Fortunately I'm a little dog rich at the moment. 

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Ooof, you and me both Wendy (on the little dogs).  

I believe we used ivermectin injections or used it as an oral to treat demodex, but I haven't worked in the field for 2 years since I went back to school so I can't remember and not every vet uses the same techniques.  A dip probably wouldn't be a bad idea at this point.  My last boss worked with a lot of the "older" techniques and sometimes.. I do have to say.. it was cost effective and more effective.

I really urge you to seek a second opinion on this.  I don't think this recommendation is working for your situation.

If you would like to either call me or I can call you.Im working today but can take the call. If you would like me to call why don't you send me your phone number by email with the best time to reach you. I will try and check it throughout the day.

Ivermectin is the usual treatment for demodex. You may need to see another vet on that.

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Chloe (my chihuahua) had an issue with demodex when she was at the rescue.  She tested clear twice before I adopted her, but had a flare up about yr ago.  The vet gave me Promaris and worked fine in clearing it up.  I was told by the rescue and vet that she probably got demodex from the mom and that it never really goes away.  Kinda like the herpes simplex virus that causes cold sores, it goes dormant only to rear its ugly head when least expected.

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@ RND that would be great. i go to school Mon. Wed. and Fri.. im going for marine biology but i get out around 3 and anytime after that would be great. i will email you my number. thanks so much.

we are still using the ivermectin orally and will also be giving the promeris flea medicine every 3 weeks. i just want to be okay with her ears and demodex before i have her spayed. i want to get her spayed before she goes into heat and spike keeps trying to hump her. dont worry he is nuetered but she is a little puppy still. and im wondering why he is still trying to hump her if the vet said that urge goes away with neutering. i bought him a huge stuffed dog so he can hump that..lol

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Humping is also a MAJOR dominance thing... He's tellin her "I'm bigger,I'm badder, and your gonna do what I tell ya to do" or... somthing to that effect.

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I can't really assist here but recommend heeding the advice of others. I feel for your situation and hope it does improve. Sounds like your vet and/or the staff are incompetent and/or lacking in customer service. Either scenario is unacceptable given the costs of the cropping and follow-up. We chose not to tape ourselves. Our vet charges $30 per taping. Yes, that is expensive, but the procedure itself was quite expensive so we are letting the vet handle everything. We've never had an issue and all is going well but it avoids the blame game should an issue arise. Best wishes to you.

I did try and call no answer. I left my number so you can reach me. I do have some ideas for you that I think might be helpful.

Here is a link on the Demodex. It covers treatment options. It sounds like your case of demodex was more serious then just the few spots. http://www.marvistavet.com/html/demodectic_mange.html I've heard it can take quite awhile to get rid of. I've also heard that stress can bring on some cases. I wonder if the ear surgery might have set her back a little bit. Do you by chance happen to know what her vWD status is? Clear, Carrier or affected?

Actually in regards to the treatment of the demodex. I believe the vet did what was necessary and appropriate especially in this dogs case. The puppy had been previously dipped which is a treatment recommeded for severe cases. The puppy also had burns and infection resulting from it which was treated by the new vet and owners. Keep in mind that  the previous owner is the one who originally treated the dog and with what who knows, they are no longer reachable by phone.

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this is the ear that now lays over her head and has the fold in the front still

you cant really tell by the picture but this is the crease type wrinkle that bends her ear in "C" shape.

 going to her appt today to see what they will be able to help with the ears or not. also have some people in my area that i can call and see if they can help. thanks rnd.

will let everyone know how it goes