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I live in Salem NH and im thinking of getting a puppy and some breeders sell them with and with out their ears done.

I will like to know if you know a good vet that do ear cropping. I'm willing to travel a couple of hrs.

Please please please if you are going to insult me please just tell me is not a good idea.

Im just trying to get some information before i buy a puppy.

Last forum i posted i got bash to death.

thanks G

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Hi and Welcome to the Forum!  Nobody on this forum will bash you about your decision about your pup's ears.  We have both cropped and natural ear pups here, and we live in harmony together LOL!  Cropping and tail docking is still legal in the US, and quite the norm for many breeds.  (Was the bashing you got from ppl from other countries?)  I personally chose not to have my girl's ears done,-my personal preference, but I did research it in the area that I live.  Good luck on your puppy hunt!

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The vast majority of reputable breeders crop their ears before they leave, so I would do your research on breeders, then go from there.  If you select a high quality breeder, chances are you won't have to do the cropping, or drive hours from home to get it done.  If you are going to support a breeder, make sure it's a good one.  That way, the ears come done, and when you need posting help, your breeder can show you exactly what to do.

I'm sure some local members can point you towards some good cropping vets, but if you have the option, why not just go with a breeder that does them for you?

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Thanks

I have a min pin with natural ears, she is 2 years old, and im looking to add a dobe to the family. The vet that i take my dog to does not do ears. I have been calling all day long and no luck, well i found one in RI for $390 but he only does the pet cut and i want the show cut i was hopping to find one around my way, in MA, NH or ME but im willing to travel.

 

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Talk to the breeders...  Like I said, good breeders do the ears, then you don't have to worry about it.

I would ditto what Kevin has already said. If you are buying from a good and reputable breeder the ears will already be done. Instead of looking for vets to do the crop why not look for better breeders that the puppy comes cropped. Look for a breeder that will help you throughout the lifetime of the dog and have a vested interest in your dog, not just someone out to make a quick buck. Here is a great link a buyers guide that has a ton of info on it in finding a good breeder. There is a TON of info on this page it is good to take some time and read through the entire thing including all the links.

http://glengate.webs.com/buyingguide.htm

Remember as you research...cheaper is not always better, and you get what you pay for. Rescues are another option to look into.

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Really?  I chose not to have my girl's done. Kevin, c'mon rnd, he didn't want to get bashed

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sorry double post, mouse is in hiding

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Dont worry, I change my mind. I will not buy a dobe.

Thanks for your help.

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Hi Master G, welcome! I live in AL and this is too far for you to travel, but maybe my experience will help you in some way. I found my puppy within a week, he was a last one available at 10 weeks old. Ears were not cropped. Breeder said that they can take him to get ears cropped. I checked around with several reputable breeders for a vet who can do ears, and got a reference about a 1 h 20 min away from where I live. His charge was $260 (including antibiotic and iron supplement) + $50 for micro chipping. I got the same cut as other breeder gets for her puppies, show cut, because I like a long slim ear.

If you decide to go this way, this doctor is in Oneonta, AL. Might be worth the trip, depending on how much the other ones charge. I heard that some charge close to $1000. Stitches can be taken out at your local vet clinic.

You can take a look in my gallery, I have before and after pics. We are getting stitches out in 4 days. Blade is 12 weeks now.

With ears being cut while I have the puppy, there are some challenges. I had to take bandages off 2 days later. I could not do it by myself, and took him to close by animal clinic. That cost me $25, well spent.

On the third day I met with another breeder and she helped my by gluing his ears to the foam cup. Cup can stay there for 2 weeks, then taping will start. Blade wants to itch so bad, because his ears are healing. I have to keep a cone on his head, and take it off when I will be keeping eye on him to give him a break.

It is a lot of work to take care of ears, but I do not regret it getting him before ears are done, versus 2 weeks later when they are done. We have had a wonderful bonding experience. I get to scratch his neck close to the ears, and he loves it :)

Make sure ears are not cut in the 8th week, that is the week when puppy is very frightful and does not need a bad experience.

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Just read his last post that he changed his mind about buying a dobe. Oh, well... hopefully my post helps somebody. It's all good.

Happydance...not bashing. He wants his future puppy to be cropped he obviously has looked around and knows some breeders crop and others don't and let there buyers go through the pain. The link I gave if read properly will give all the correct info a person looking for a puppy would ever need. On top of things he wants a show cut. He would be better off reading through the link and researching more. Nothing negative was said to this person at all.

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I most certainly didn't bash anyone, and neither did rnd.  I'm not sure how that could even be taken from either post to be honest...

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Because written words don't convey tonal or facial - 90% of communication is body language & vocal inflection, only 10% is the words.

That's why it is easier to email, text, blog...  with people you know & that know you.  The recipient uses their knowledge of you to "image" those things, making misunderstandings less frequent.  Altho' things are still misconstrued sometimes.

After my "altercation" with Todax I personally read & re-read posts, keeping in mind previous postings from that person, but I still fly off the handle sometimes...

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I guess my problem with what was said is the blanket statement that "any reputable breeder" will have the ears already done.  First of all, we all know that there are many less than reputable breeders that have the ears done, even horror stories about people trying to do them themselves.  I sounded to me like you were unintentionally conveying the message that if the ears were done, the breeder must be ok (Which I KNOW that you weren't). I would think that any breeder would let you pick out your puppy and ask YOU if you wanted YOUR dog to have it done or not providing the decision is made early enough of course.  I chose not to and that was my perogative.  He obviously did want it done and it would of course be much easier to buy a dog that was already cropped but we know it doesn't always happen like that. But, he was just asking for a referral and doing some research.  Sorry to stir up the pot...

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Wow, some of the people on this site are entirely too sensitive... You got upset about something that I didn't say, and never have said, and never would say.  Then, you even said you KNEW that's not what I meant...  geeze

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THANK YOU NEWTODOGS FOR YOUR POSITIVE COMMENT AND FOR TRYING TO HELP OTHERS, IN THIS CASE ME. YOU ARE RIGHT, IS A BONDING EXPERIENCE FOR YOU AND YOUR NEW BABY TO GO THRU.

I HAVE NOT GOT A PUPPY YET. BUT I FOUND MANY VETS ON MY OWN (NOT WITH THE HELP OF ANY ON THIS FORUM OR ANY REPUTABLE BREEDER AROUND MY WAY) THAT WILL DO EAR CROPPING. I FOUND ONE IN RHODE ISLAND THAT IS THE "BEST" IN THIS AREA. I SAW PICTURES OF DOGS THAT HE HAD CROPPED AND THEY LOOK LIKE YOUR PUPPY'S DADDY. SO IF I EVER GET A PUPPY WITH OUT THE EARS CROPPED (LIKE YOU) THIS IS WERE I WOULD TAKE HER.

THANKS AGAIN G

 

FOR THE OTHER COMMENTS

SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE SO USE TO BEING A-- H--- THAT IS IN YOUR BLOOD AND YOU CAN NEVER GIVE A POSSITIVE COMMENT WITH OUT BEING SARCASTIC.

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT BREEDERS THAT SELL DOGS WITH NATURAL EARS (BYB IN THEIR OPINION)...

Master G, I just read through 4 long agonizing pages from the list you were supposedly bashed at. I think when you calm down maybe you should re-read those posts. Yes some of them were not helpful, but others were exactly what you asked for and had FANTASTIC info in them. I think you got offended and spent the rest of your time defending and making smart comments back instead of trying to learn something from them. The bottom line is they and I are trying to protect you from making the same mistakes millions of others do. It is not advice coming from someone that hasn't owned a Doberman in 20 years it is advice from someone that cares for the breed. It is advice from someone that deals with the aftermath and mess of supporting backyard breeders. It is very obvious that you ARE looking at backyard breeders and not really researching or thinking of what you are supporting. Most of these people gave you places to look and even gave you the info you were looking for in vets. Really I think when you calm down that you should read through it again and ignore the bad posts. You were equally as offending as some of the bad posts.

I do breed Dobermans and I do crop all of my dogs before they go to their homes. With that being said IF I had a qualified person that did not want the ears cropped and wanted them natural I would respect that, and I'm as far from a backyard breeder as they get.

I refuse to get in a battle with you like you created on the other list.  I gave you very heartfelt helpful advice and a wonderful link that gives ALL THE RIGHT info on purchasing a puppy and looking for a good breeder. If you want to try and read through those lines than go right ahead but at least I have a very good picture of where you are coming from. Good luck with your search and do the right thing either buy responsibly or support the rescues they need good homes.

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Master G- please don't let the comments choose whether or not you will decide to spend your life with a doberman. While the majority of "reputable" breeders will sell their puppies with cropped ears that does not mean that if the puppy does not come cropped your breeder is less than honorable. The reason breeders crop the puppies for you is simple...many vets claim to know how to crop which in fact they do not ( there are many horror stories in the depths of this forum) so the breeder does it to protect the new owners and the puppy. However, in my humble opinion I think that if your purchase from a breeder (who crops the puppies) prior to the ears being done YOU should have the choice to have them cropped or not cropped. Purely because let's face it posting cropped ears is a job and a process and if someone is not committed to to it, not educated on it or don't have someone to help them through them they probably shouldn't put the dog through the procedure. Please continue to Visit the forum and share with us!

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Hi Master G, When I decided on Doberman, I contacted local AKC and asked for a Doberman breeder. i got a reference for one who had puppies available. We visited the breeder, and saw a sweet puppy 16 weeks of age. his ears was not cropped, and when I asked about it, breeder said that they can still be cropped and he knows a vet who will do it. I knew enough about Doberman ears to know that ear cropping is done by 12 weeks.

After visiting forums and researching, i found out how important is to get the pup from what is called "reputable breeder" because they go through he trouble and expense to check their health and insure good temperament by breeding dogs that have a good health and good temperament.

So called 'back yard breeders' don't do none of that. Puppy is a lot of work and after I have invested all the time in training, and money (ears, neutering, shots, toys, etc) and have got me a dog that I love, he gets some major health problem that he had due to breeding, and I have to spend more money then I have and put him to sleep  - that would just be tragic. So I took advice that I got from people here and started contacting DPCA.org listed breeders in my state, and found a puppy within a week. It was more expensive, but at the long run it will be less expensive becasue he is in guaranteed good health.

Good luck with your search.

Very well said Newtodogs! Some people such as this poster were given the same information on more than one list but they are going to do what they are going to do and take the information offesively instead of learning from it. 

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I think if people hear something other than what they are looking for, they tend to get defensive.  Nobody is trying to be mean, just trying to point the OP in the correct direction, based on experience.

Thank you KEVIN!!!! I agree 100% this has been proven time and time again

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THANKS NEWTODOGS

WHEN IM GOING TO BUY SOMETHING I ALWAYS LIKE TO LOOK AT THE GOOD AND THE BAD, THATS HOW YOU LEARN IN MY OPINION. IF YOU ALWAYS LOOK AT THE GOOD, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT BAD LOOKS LIKE. I JUST DONT LIKE PEOPLE THAT THE FIRST THING THAT COMES OUT OF THEIR MOUTH IS BASH BASH BASH AND THEN TRY TO GIDE YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

I DIDNT KNOW MUCH ABOUT DOBES BEFORE I JOIN THE FORUM BUT I FELL LIKE I LEARN ALOT HERE AND ON THE OTHER FORUM, AND THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO LEARN.

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WHEN I BUY MY PUPPY I WILL BUY HER FROM A REPUTABLE BREEDER THAT HAS DONE ALL THE TEST AND SO ON. I KNOW THAT MY DOG WILL BE LIKE MY DAUTHER AND I WILL WANT NOTHING BUT THE BEST FOR HER.

THANKS AGAIN FOR NOT BASHING PEOPLE, GIVING ME GOOD ADVICE AND POINTING ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

PS: DONT TELL THE OTHERS THAT IM STILL BUYING A PUPPY, I JUST HAVE TO DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH BEFORE I DO.

P.S. do you know what health tests should be done? The adds you gave and puppies you showed were definitely not a reptable breeder, either was the health testing. If you would like to quit beng smart I can help. The above poster knew very little before I talked with her and gave her some things to look for.

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Dobies by dellea- 508 641 7969

McCarthy dobrman pinscher- 603 566 6710

Cutnapath dobermans -603 562 5996

Von Hans Gebet -603 924 2379

Among others. I left a message and only one person call me back, her name was kelly,

she is having a litter on Jun 19-23. she was very nice, we talked for a little. Im not ready to buy a puppy yet. I will like to learn a little more

I dont know what test I should be looking for but ill keep reading a little more till i find out.

I have been reading about some health issues like cardiomyopathy, CVI, von willebrand's, prostatic disease, hypothyroidism, hip dysplasia. wobblers syndrome.

Im not a computer person so if im reading about the wrong things and you want to refer me to another place you must post the exact link so i can find it.

 

 

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Hey Master G: 

The parents of the up-coming litter should, at the very least, have a vWD, vonWillebrands.  This is a bleeding disorder.  A reasonably priced blood test that will come back either in a number or with the Vet-Gen DNA, come back as Clear, Carrier or Affected.  If it comes back as numbers, over 70 is considered clear.  Personally, I feel that atleast one parent should be clear.  That way no pup in the litter will be affected.   Affected could have bleeding problems.  I say "could" because there are lots of Affected dogs out there that have not had an issue but if your are breeding, why take the chance?  Many breed two carriers but they are taking the chance of 25% of the pups being affected.  You don't have to go crazy wanting two vWD clear parents, one is good, if the other is a carrier.  Most vets are going to want to know what the vWD factor is when they crop or spay/neuter.  Sometimes it won't show up until the dog is older and ...let's say .... needs a tooth removed.  then, they may have a bleeding problem.

I would hope that an OFA is done.  That is a radiograph for hip dysplasia.  That would come back as excellent, good, fair, borderline or ...well, I don't think I would want to breed a dog that isn't atleast fair~!

Next, thyroid.  Not just a T-4, that can fluctuate.  A full thyroid panal should be done, with T-4, Free T-4 and TSH Level.

I'd say those are the very least a breeder should do.  Each test comes with the "results", in a certificate form or just a lab results on a sheet of paper.  A breeder should be happy to show you these results.  Each lab result paper with have the normals written on it as well, so that you can compare.  You don't have to be a vet to understand the results.

Take your time and find a "Good" breeder!  They are out there.  Ask ?'s, ask for the health testing and go and see them if you can, before the litter is born.  Watch out for "ooopsys" ( we did not plan to breed but they got together), we just wanted to have one litter for fun (because they probably did not bother to health test) and it's the last puppy, the breeder says "I was going to keep this one because it is so nice but I decided I just can't", that would send up a red flag to me. 

It doesn't cost all that much to have these three heatlth tests done and if someone is planning to breed their Dobermans, these three are important.  There are more, heart, eyes, elbows, etc. and that is all good as well!  Unfortunately, they have not come up with a test for Wobbler's.  It helps if the breeder know the lines of their dogs and knows that in the last 2 or 3 generations, they have not had that problem.  If the breeder can tell you about grand-parents, etc., you will find out about longevity too!

Hope this helps!

 

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Thank you MyDeutzia. Im getting my list together of test they must show me and thing i should know about the parents and grand parents.