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Hello! So I'm a new doberman owner and have so far LOVED everything about our little guy. When we first purchased him he was cropped and docked at 3 wks of age by a vet in OK who says he does both at the same time when they're little. In the picture hes 6 wks old with cropped ears that were never taped. The vet stated that they will "pop up" on their own....I've never heard of this before?? Boss is going on 14 wks now, and only one ear has started to stand. Question, would taping them be a good way, or are they doomed because they've been down for so long? Please help:)

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Firstly, welcome to the group.

Secondly..........OMG!  I have NEVER heard of such a thing. Docking at 3 weeks is bad enough, (the pup should have had its tail docked at 3 DAYS, not 3 weeks) but cropping ears that early is unheard of.  What kind of vet would do an ear cropping at 3 weeks of age, and then be so ingorant as to tell you they will "pop up on their own"?  That is just unimaginable.

Your best bet would be to get those ears posted ASAP.  No guarantees at this point, though, what will happen to that poor little guys ears, but posting is your only hope to get them to stand.  and FYI---their ears do NOT pop up on their own.  sheeesh, I just cant believe a vet would do such a thing.

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I would strongly suggest NEVER going back to that vet.  I would also recommend doing some more research on the breed, so that you have a better understanding of when and why these things are done.  If the breeder didn't do the tail at 3 days, I would have left it.  And cropping at 3 weeks, jeeze...  the ears will most certainly not pop up on their own, never heard of such a thing.  How old was this pup when you got him?

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I'm sorry, to correct my mistake, I meant done at 3 days, not 3 weeks. I know it was the correct timing for the tails, but not the ears!! The family whom I purchased Boss from had had several other litters before, I'd even contacted a few of their past litter owners and got great reviews. But the breeder stated this was the first time using this vet that he was referred too. I guess he was unsure about the ear cropping as well but the vet suggested it and would do any altering "as needed". When I personally called the vet to see if there was anything I needed to do, all they said was to continually massage the ears and stated they do this ALL the time, seeming very rude i even asked. Thanks for your input!

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Welcome to the group bosskey -- other than the ears and tail confusion, how are things going?  I wouldn't bother calling that vet again, it sounds to me like they didn't know what they were doing.  Sadly, cropping is not something taught in school and this vet clearly didn't understandthe procedure.  Cropping at 3 days means they were unable to judge the cartilage development or how the shape of the ears would look against the face.  Just be prepared to have a crop that may not be perfect - its not like you're going to love your dog any less.  Please go onto the 'Ears' section on this forum and look up ways to post those ears, I'd still give it a shot though you may never get them to properly stand.

All that is really besides the point now as its in the past and it was done before you got your little man.  Doberman puppies are a lot of work but well worth it!  We are all here to help answer any questions you may have and help you out where needed.  We also really love pictures and stories and updates.

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Well, that makes things even worse.  At three days old, a doberman pup's ears haven't even developed yet.  I can NOT imagine a licensed vet that would even attempt such a thing. Please, don't ever use this vet for anything ever again.  He obviously does not know what he's doing.


Best of luck, seriously, with posting the ears.  It can't hurt at this point, and might actually help.  Are his ears very very short?  It's hard to tell from your avatar photo.

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Just a question for the experienced breeders & owners...

Why do alot of vets just assume because a GSD's ears will stand as the dog matures a dobe's will do the same?  (Actually, when I think on it, there are a couple of breeds that start with floppy ears which stand erect as they mature...  papillon & GSD come to mind first.)

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He has been such a wonderful puppy, and we did lots of research before hand to make sure he'd fit in with our family, even with a young child. Both our son, and Boss have done great together, they respect eachother and surprisingly haven't had any issues with our son picking on the puppy or even the other way around. I have no plans to ever use that vet, I believe it was the breeders choice before I purchased the puppy. And no  his avatar ears aren't short anymore.lol, they've actually grown out to be about a medium cut, they would look great as long as i can get them to stand. Hopefully with patience and taping we can get them suckers up:) I'll keep ya'll posted!

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Good Question Dabbles, I guess that why I didnt press it to much because I actually thought they might because they were the same size of dogs that naturally rise. But maybe ear cartilage is different in all breeds?

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Just want to welcome you to the Forum.. I am sad that your vet was so unprofessional.However as has been stated, it won't make a bit of difference to you.. he's your boy and guess what.. he could care less as well.. I'm just hoping that if any other issue arises, ( inoculations, vet checks, etc) you'll find someone competent and reliable..

DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS!

P.S. Love your boy's name

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I would find it really hard to believe a puppy would be cropped at 3 days.  The ears are closed like their eyes when they're born, and are tiny.  It would be like trying to crop a button.  I also doubt very much that anesthesia could be administered to newborns in order to do cropping surgery.  I think there is a big misunderstanding here. 

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I don't know anything on the topic...but I wanted to give you a BIG welcome!  I am sure your little guy will be handsome whichever way his ears turn out.

 

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Regardless of what n when!!! Start taping the ears, google Carol Petruzzo Ear taping DPCA or go to Carosel Dobermans there should be a Taping Section on there. That will show you the type of tape you'll need and all the other materials needed. Carol is one of the most experienced breeders in the country and her info is one of the best segments to learn how to do it. The ears need to be posted and done properly. Find a vet that knows how to post or a breeder in the area. You need to start it right NOW!

Once its started you can learn how to do it properly. The massages with oils is a must but the tapings must be done or the ears will fail, no doubt about it! Don't waste a day not searching all I've told you about, if you want your dog to look like a cropped Dobermann then get these things done now.

Leave the posts up for 8 to 10 days and ever night and morning smell the ears to make sure theres no infection started. When you remove the tape massage with baby oil or mineral oil and stretch the ears upward. Make sure the ears are completely DRY before reposting that evening. I've been ear careing for almost 50 years now and 8 to 10 days up and a full day of massages then back up that night has worked for me very nicely. Get to work you'll most likely need to tape all through his teething period that usually last until 6 months old. Good luck and get after it! Von

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Do you have a picture bosskey??? Because I'm with glengate... There must be an misunderstanding here. There's no ear to crop at 3 days. It's not possible.

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I was told by the breeder they had done it at the same time which was 3 days. However, i made some phone calls and actually talked to the Dr. Mills, the vet that did this and he stated the ears were done at 3 wks. He said he normally does small breeds but doesnt like to do large breeds because of the growth of cartilage. I DROVE 3 HOURS this weekend to have him reexamine the ears and my dog has little wings at the tip which he wanted to cut off. I said NO WAY! He said they do have the potential to still stand with taping sooo...they are officially taped up with the help of Von's post and they look great, so WISH US LUCK:) I'll post pics later

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"Little wings at the tip".....?  I'm trying to imagine what that looks like.  My vet that did Ziva's ears doesn't do a strictly straight-line crop, he puts a slight curve to the ear, which I have always liked the looks of, but it's not necessarily something I'd call a 'wing'. Do you have photos?  Would really love to see your pup up close.  Von's post about ear taping was very informative, and I'm glad you got the ears up.  Best of luck on them standing.  I have never heard of a doberman having the ears cropped at such a young age.  Makes me very curious what they will turn out like.  I'm sure he's a gorgeous pup----he's a doberman, so he HAS to be. 

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I'm glad you said NO WAY!! It is senseless to do the cosmetic procedure twice, in my opinion.  Good luck on the posting.. lots of people here to help you that have the experience!

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I'm glad you said no way too! I really hope everything will turn out! Just like Ziva's Dad said! it's a doberman it has to be beautiful no matter what! Good Luck with everything and definitely keep us all posted!

Karissa