Vet Visit for Ziva

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We had our vet appointment this morning for blood work for thyroid panels today. She weighed 107 lbs today on their scale, *that's even more than she weighed last Saturday*  and the vet said "yes, she IS a bit too heavy for her size and age". She honestly eats LESS than my 13 lb rat terrier does, and never gets 'people food' and only occasional treats. I told him that she seems to run out of energy sooner than she ever did before, and wants to sleep a lot during the day and she sleeps soundly all night long.  He checked her coat, running his fingers backwards across her back, said that she didnt seem to have dry skin, and commented on her coat being such short hair.  I told him that she has ALWAYS had extrmemly short hair, even when she was a little puppy.  I've always said that running my hand across her to pet her felt more like petting a seal than petting a dog.  He said the same thing that Kate has said about one sign of low thyroid is thinning patches of hair and a dull luster, but Ziva shines like she's been waxed and has no thin patches at all.  He told me that just because there is a list of 'signs and symptoms' that doesn't mean that every one of them has to apply.  He also said that she is pretty young (wont be 2 until mid September) but that doesnt necessarily rule low thyroid problems out, either.  He checked her heart, lungs, gum color and she had  good capilary refill when he pressed on her gums.  Then he took a vial of blood from her right front leg, and she just stood there and never flinched at all.  (She's always such a good girl at the vet's office)   Bloodwork was due to be sent to a lab this afternoon for thyroid panels and they told me that the lab would fax the report to them as soon as it was done---maybe as soon as Monday afternoon.  They promised to call me as soon as they get the results back, so I'm sitting here all weekend waiting for Monday to see if she is going to need meds or not.  (sigh)  The vet also noticed a little greenish eye goop in her right eye and gave me medicated eye drops to put in her eye-- two drops, three times per day for 7 days---said it looked like a mild case of conjunctivitis. 

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Good idea to have your vet go over her and do a blood test. Even if shes the biggest boned girl on earth thats to much weight and then add in her young age you must get her weight down to safety numbers. I don't suggest any of the Science diet meals but they do have a good plan for certain needs. Ask the vet what he suggests as far as food to assist in weight reduction. Calories need to be counted but you can't reduce nutrients too. I'm not up on the new products so I'm unable to give help on products but there is a few breeders here and they might know of a company thats addressing this issue. Exercise & diet always go hand N hand but always start slowly and then your progression upwards doesn't bring any strain to her. Good luck and a trim dog will be much happier! Von

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Well, now you'll know for sure.  Thanks for posting, I was curious.  Hmmm, weight, naps, maybe my thyroid needs checking into too... at least I don't have crusty patches or smell like a Frito.  I don't think so anyway..    

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Thanks, Von, but I'm already addressing her weight issue.  Recently I switched her to Canidae All Live Stages dry dog food because it has a very high meat and protien content, without all the fillers that so many of the dog foods on the market have.  I am not a Science Diet believer, so I'm going to stick with the  Canidae. I also walk her every single day, I also joined a dog walking club and drive 20 miles on Saturday mornings to walk her with a group of other big dogs, and she also goes to doggie daycare one day each week, and it takes me 30 minutes to drive her there before I drive back here to go to work, where she stays busy playing for 6 - 10 hours, depending on how early I drop her off and what time I pick her up that evening.  I'm doing everything that I can.  I just feel that she is gaining weight even though her diet and exercise are more than adequate to keep her weight down.  If she has a very low metabolism, that food and exercise isn't doing the job that it should be doing, though.  That's why I had her go in for a blood draw and thyroid panels done.

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Gotcha, I'll do some searching for you, I have access to old time Dobermann breeders and a few old time vets. Both have a ton of knowledge. Not that I'm old or anything, I'm not I'm "balanced" sorta. As to the Science Diet I agree with you but their special formulars are excepted by most knowledgable owners whose dogs are in need. No harm taking a look see. I think Canadae did a bail out, I'm not sure if it effects the product but I remember folks being pissed off when the changes were made without any notification. I used Life Stages myself at the time but they did a slight change that I didn't like nothing to do with their not advising their customers. Gotta keep an eye on all companies producing food to toys for our dogs nowadays. So many toys are all ready made in China, I won't take that chance. Get back to you! Von

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107, hoooowee!!  That's 5 lbs in a week she's gained!  There's gotta be something off there...Good thing they're doing a thyroid check, definitely let us know when you get the results.  Just curious, how many cups does Ziva get each day?  Whatever it is, lets hope they figure it out quick.  Fingers crossed!  A bit of medication isn't the end of the world, if that's what it'll take to get her down to where she should be. 

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Janelle, she only eats about 2.5 cups of dog food per day.  I almost feel like I'm UNDER feeding her, but she keeps gaining.  I realize that she was weighed last Saturday on one scale and today on a different one at the vet's office, so they might not have been calibrated exactly the same...but still, that's just too much.  The pictures of her "Rabbit hunting" were taken yesterday, so you can see that she isn't the Goodyear blimp or anything, but I feel that she should weigh a lot less than she does just to be easier on her hips and joints and heart, you know?  I am just fanatic about her health and feel so helpless sometimes. 

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I'm so sorry to hear about your dog, Ziva! Good luck with everything, it sounds like you're in good hands!

I just checked out your gallery, she is gorgeous!!

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Thanks, Ponch.  Yes, if the results come back positive for hypothyroid, then we'll just do the meds and make the best of it.  If they come back negative, then we'll keep testing for other things to see why she is gaining weight.  I trust my vet to be very thorough and honest with me.  She really is a BIG GIRL, very tall and long legged, and she actually carries that weight well---I had no idea she was that weight,  but I would definitely like to see her a little trimmer than she is right now, and have her energy levels built back up, too.  Thanks for the compliments, too. 

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I think you're spot on Paul...she's not FAT... (did someone say the "F" word?) and to look at her you wouldn't think she's overweight.  But in the interest of her heart and joints being a little slimmer would do her good.  You're a good papa!  I'm sure the vet will have her right as rain in no time :)

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Paul, you know concerned. I'm moving this weekend,so will check in as I can. If you don't hear from me I'll still be watching. alll the best.

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Ziva!! Eesh girl.  Didn't you say she had been sneaking in and eating kibble on her own?  I don't think it's possible a neighbor is feeding her either.. but man, it just seems a little quick for all the weight to come on!  Did they run more than the Thyroid Panel?  I'm sure they would.. the cost usually is about the same.

Keep us posted.  Thinking of the Z girl all weekend with you!

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Hope you get some answers soon, you are doing all you can and I am sure with your persistence you will get her weight stabilised - being a little on the big side myself I feel her pain !! :)   Seriously at least you are doing something about this, she is a lucky girl having a dad like you !

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Hopw all is well... Skye and I are sending our good dober-vibes your way!!

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from jeshykai: Didn't you say she had been sneaking in and eating kibble on her own?

Yes, in the past, she has done that a couple of times....but since I figured out that she was doing that, I put a 'child proof lock' on that cabinet door, so I KNOW she is only eating what I measure out for her now.  It's just baffling.

Thanks everyone.  I'm sure we'll get a grip on this situation, whatever it is, and will get control again.

I'm leaving in about a half hour this morning to take her to the dogwalking group thing.  It's a leisurely walk through the Bloomington area for about an hour, with short breaks for the dogs (and humans) every 15 - 20 minutes.  We'll see how her stamina holds up when she's with other people and other dogs and new things to sniff out.  That might hold her interest and we could BOTH have a very enjoyable morning.

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Sorry to join his late,but I hope you get some answers to the mystery from the test results.I must say,those new pics you posted of her chasing the rabbit look good.I would never guess she weighed that much.She really looks great.Looking forward to hearing the results on Monday and I'll be thinking about her this weekend everytime I look down at my own two.(That's all the time)

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Wow, I can only imagine the thoughts going through your head... It sounds like a puzzle to me too.

Try not to worry..( yeah right.. that's coming from a world class worrier)

You know your vet is wonderful and has Ziva's best interest in mind, same as you do. Will be thinking about you both this weekend ( hey... Barb.. I'm moving too... )

If it is indeed thyroid, it's  very easy to control and you'll see a marked improvement fairly quickly.

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Awww I would have never thought Miss Ziva was at 107.. I hope you are having a wonderful day out hiking the trails with your group!  We will all keep positive thoughts heading your way.. Maybe she is just "big boned".. lol Only teasing I think shes beautiful :o)

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I too hope all is well....she's beautiful Paul....

Paul I saw the "Rabbit" pics too and would never have guessed she was 107 lbs. She's wearing it very well. Well my thoughts and prayers are with you bud.