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We just fully switched Ginger over to Canidae ALS about two weeks ago. When we first started her on it, she seemed to do very well, but ever since the full switch her stool has been puddles, and you can tell her tummy is upset. Her gas is ferocious, and her upset tummy seems to be getting worse. Last night I had to get up every hour to let her out because it was bothering her so much.

I brushed up on some of the past "Food" posts, but does anyone have any suggestions for a food that might suit her better? I'd go raw if I had the funds...but it's just not there. For the 35lb bag, I found it for $39 after tax, and if at all possible, I'd like to try to keep it around there (doubt its gonna happen). On an good note...Dexter loves it and is doing wonderfully on it...go figure, lol.

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We are in the same battle w/ Raven- We switched over and it has been a week on just Kirtland - and she hates it and she stinks! Cisco could eat cardboard and be ok... Go figure!

I want to do a grain free and I am going to go to the feed store this week and look into what they have= good luck to you!

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Put Ginger on a rice bland diet until her diarrhea calms down.  You can do 2 cups rice to 1 cup boiled chicken or cottage cheese.  (If you aren't already doing this, that is).

Did you switch her gradually?  Or all at once?  What was she on before - how did she do with this food? How long on the food until she started the diarrhea?  Just so we can figure out what the trigger was.

I looked over the ingredient list and this seems like a pretty good food.  Try giving her a bland diet for a few days, then mix a SMALL amount of the food into the bland diet.. see how it goes.

It could be that she got into something else.  Sometimes dogs who have been on the same food for years get flare ups like this too.  

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Mandy, Kirkland has a grain free -- is it not at your store?

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So far, I think that Leo has done better on Authority, (puppy/chicken) than other puppy foods I've tried. I purchased 34 pounds @approx $30, before tax, yesterday. I dont remember any gas issues either!!! Which he has had lately! So, we are going back to that for a while. Good Luck. Not easy matching what you want to feed, with what's inside the wallet!

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Skye could eat anything as long as it tastes good!! We found this out because an entire frozen pizza came up missing(sister left it on the table) and we found BITS of the wrapper in her bed, so were pretty sure who the culpret was. She never even showed signs of discomfort, so were pretty sure my baby has an iron gut. We still feed her the same thing, don't get me wrong, but I'm glad I won't have to go through this.

What was Ginger eating before? If she was doing well on it, why switch?

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No they didnt have the grain-free at our costco- we are going down this weekend or I am going to look into something else- I think i may boils some chicken and rice tonight and feed her that til we figure out what will suit her...

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Don't forget the canned pumpkin.. it does wonders for digestive problem.. ( not pie filling.. the real deal)

Good luck and let us know

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JJ got diarrhea from eating snow. I asked the vet and he said don't let him eat snow. I didn't know this and I was feeding him snow because he liked it. I'm a soft touch when it comes to JJ, LOL.

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I really don't know why it's so hard to resist those wonderful eyes.. What is it that makes us want to give our kids things that really aren't good for them? It's a questions I've asked myself for a long time.

I think our food must smell better to them.. Although I've never seen Sofia beg for a piece of celery.. She could care less when we eat broccoli..

but omg.. when we get down to that last little bit of pizza crust... she will send laser darts completely across the room with her eyes..

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Skye will eat anything, and when I say anything... I mean ANYTHING!! lolz. She's eaten hats, shoes, cardboard, she likes to chew on the wood trim, cheese... but thats a given, carrots, pickles, olives, lettuce... she stole a head and demolished it in like, 5 seconds... she also likes to eat snow. She scoops it up in her little mouth and chews. Her fave treat is icecubes and she thinks her breakfast should be supplemented every once in a while with an orange stolen from my 13-year-old sister.

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PICKLES????

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Evie's been on Great Life grain-free kibble for a while now and she seems to do quite well on it: http://www.doctorsfinest.com/Grain_and_Potato_Free_Buffalo_Dog_Food_p/gfbd-15.htm

 

Anyone else try Great Life here?

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never heard of it around here....

I just fed her some chicken, brown rice and plain yogurt about an hour... no poops at all yet, but also no stinky poots and gross burps... Cisco also doesnt seem as gassy... my mission is to find a grain-free food for them this weekend... I made enough chicken and rice for tomorrow as well... may have to go get some more chicken tomorrow and just feed them that for the rest of the week. We have a save-alot near my work who has "cook today previously frozen chicken parts" for like 55 cents a pound some days.... some days they dont so fingerd crossed....

is brown rice ok for them - that is all I had????? They seem ok so far!

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Yes Kaitie, PICKLES!!! 

My sister should know better, but she feeds Skye from her plate... anything she begs for... It makes me soo mad. but she's never gotten sick, so I guess since there was no harm done, I can forgive her for it.

She also gets poptarts, popcorn, and a dead bunny that my cat drug into the house today. EEEEEEWWWWWWWWW!!! It was soooooo gross. We took her into the vet along with bits of the bunny, he took some tests on it and will be getting back to us in a week. She's got all her shots, but you can never be too careful. 

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Oh NO WG~ hope all is ok!!! cisco ate a dead rodent of some sort and ended up with worms so good thing you took her!

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I'm surprised Skye and the cat haven't teamed up before.. LOL, sounds like you have a very diverse family!

If your kitty is prone to hunting.. you might want to ask your vet for Drontal to give to the cat every month to keep the parasites at bay.  

I'm sure Skye will be fine, that naughty girl.

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Yeah, the pumpkin/ginger is great stuff I've also used this stuff: http://www.doctorsfinest.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ALIFE&Show=ExtInfo

 

which helped clear up the runs in a jiffy. might be good to have it on hand if you have a pup too.

 

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I give my dogs a 'big plop' of cottage cheese or yogurt in their kibble about once a week, and I never have had to deal with the runs.  Maybe that's a preventative or something, but I know that yogurt helps their digestive tracts stay in balance----and they LOVE it.

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I was doing cottage cheese and yogurt - switching it up in 2 meals a day... just a small plop...

I was told that helps for the ears also... I switched totally to the yogurt and am hoping it will help w/ digestion on the little one- she can clear a room in a second!

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Sofia has learned a new word.. YOGURT..

I added the above mentioned "plop" to her lunch yesterday and her eyes were spinning in her head.. she LOVED it..

Later that day, she was giving me her "I'M-STARVING-AND-NO-ONE-AROUND-HERE-EVER-FEEDS-ME" look.. I asked her if she wanted some yogurt.

She RAN to the 'fridge, sat down without being asked and did her cat blink thingie ..

( that's the way the Diva flirts.. she bats her eyelashes.. )

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Cisco wouldn't eat unless there was a plop of Cottage cheese on his food til little miss piggie came along...

They both love the yogurt so I am now waiting to see if they will eat without it!

Spoiled!

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We asked the vet about preventitives. He said he would get it to us when he mails us the test results. (he's gonna call, but for moms insurance we need documents.)

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I started to sprinkle some parmesan cheese on JJ's kibble and now he won't eat the kibble without the cheese on it. I think I spoiled him AGAIN, LOL.

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Sorry for not being able to get back to this sooner...

 

For the past three days we have been boiling rice with a poached egg in there for her, her tummy seems a little better, and absolutely no gas (which I'm loving). When we adopted Ginger she was on wellness, then we went to Beniful puppy, then pedigree large breed ALS (which her and I both hated) all with no problems, then we switched her to Canidae and gradually the longer she has been on it her stool has gotten worse and worse.

Do you think if we put her on Canidae Lamb and rice she would do better since there is only one protein in it and it will be a little less for her stomach to handle? Id hate to have to put her on crap food again just to get her stool solid but i feel so bad for her, and you can tell her tummy is upset and her gas was just....indescribable...

 

(each crossover was gradually over a week to two weeks)

It is usually the grains in the food that cause problems with digestion not the protein. I would try to find a grain free dog food if I were you. I've switched my boy who had the worst digestion problems over to a totally raw diet. He has never done better and he will never eat anything but raw the rest of his life. The other 2 are now on grain free dogs foods. The more I research the dog foods I truly believe that raw is the absolute best and if you cant feed that then grain free quality diets are second. Costco carries a grain free made by the same company as Taste of the wild another high quality grain free dog food. Costco I believe costs almost 30. per bag. That might be an option if you are trying to stay cheaper. When you change her foods seeing that she has a upset tummy I would take the full 2 weeks if not longer to ease her into it. They also make probiotics for them that help with changes such as switching dog foods. You can get them in a paste tube from your vet that is very easy to give, or their are many good companies that make it. I've given it to my dog pretty much since he was born.

I do have to say if you are buying sale meats that feeding raw isn't that expensive. It costs more if you buy the prepackaged raw diets but it is very easy to make your own.

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Raven and Cisco both have awful digestion problems- per my vet they are on a brown rice and beef or chicken base for 2 week with their food -they both started on Eukenuba - then went to diamond per a friends reccomendation... still awful... got a bag of Kirtland (costco) puppy food but it wasnt the grain free.... so they have been on a diamond/kirtland mix... w. the chicken/beef rice....

Today was first day of Diamond/taste of wild grain free w/ the chicken rice base...

My vet said finish out the week / the chicken and rice or beef and rice as a base taking it away at one meal and adding more dog  food...

My vet worked w/ a vet that bred dobes somewhere in VA or NC until he came back here- I love both my vets lisa is wonderful and aaron (the one mentioned above) actually sat in the room (both of them) and we talked and they gave me their reccomendations... both agreed grain free is best for dobes and any dog with their build (weimers, visla, pointers....)

So we will see how it goes! Good Luck w/ ginger!

Now is Dex like my akita w a cast iron tummy? He could eat anything and never had a problem except stnky gas here and there

 

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Yup Mandy, I'm pretty sure I could feed Dex a pepperoni pizza and his stools would never reflect it (though I dont feed either of them people food). It must be something with his wild heritage, lol.


rnd: hmm I must have got my lines crossed, lol. Well that's what puzzles me the most...when she is on junky filler food her tummy is fine...its when i introduced the canidae that she started having issues...I will search around for some grain free and see if that does anything for her, but we dont have a Costco around here...And miracle of all miracles, ever since we have been feeding her rice and eggs/chicken, no messy kennel! I'd love to put her on a raw diet,and besides the cost, I am not always there to feed her and my fiance is grumbly as it is when I have him make rice for her -.-

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My poor baby is still having issues with loose stools.  I thought I had a handle on it and increased the amount of daily food.  I started soaking her dry food and now she has loose stools all the time.  She only goes after each meal so it must be diet related.  I read in a home veterinary handbook that her issues could be caused by overeating. 

I want to take her back to square one with her food and was wondering approximately how much brown rice/chicken should I feed her daily?  She currently weighs 12 pounds and has been eating 2 - 2 1/2 cups of dry food per day plus 3 oz canned food mixed in each morning.  I want to make sure her tummy and stools are back to normal before I try giving her puppy food again.  In the meantime, I will be taking her to the vet next week.

Is there a food that would be better than Wellness?  I don't have a Costco membership otherwise I would try the food being recommended. 


BTW...she doesn't get anything other than puppy food.  I give a handful of small treats throughout the day for training.  The treats are supposedly for dogs with sensitive stomachs.

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I'm not sure if I've read this before on this site, but wanted to share with anyone having these issues.  I went through a horrendous battle with Leo as well with the diahrrea issues.  Two days and nights of major runs..in and out of the house as fast as we could go.. lot's of carpet accidents because the poor guy just couldn't get to the door fast enough..

*** Per my vet, who is not particularly versed with Dobermans, but none the less, I believe a valuable resource to us.  What ever you choose to feed while dealing with the diet issues, (his suggestion was Royal Canin for intestinal upsets..) be careful not to use everything!  If you are giving yogurt, cottage cheese, pumpkin, egg, rice, chicken, all these and any more that we've seen as suggestions...putting them all together at once isnt really what you need to do.  It might even make matters worse, or at least not as effective and quick as you would like.  Quick is a key issue in my mind as well because of the rapidity of dehydration. Not a good idea to allow a puppy or a dog to go on for weeks while we try to figure it out...

First get the diahrrea stopped. If you suspect it is the food, stop feeding it! Get on the bland diet.  Maybe one small spoon of something calming...yogurt or...or...or...not all 3 or 4 added in because you read it would be good!  It's too much. Think simplicity.  That's what the gastro system is needing. Basic, simple nutrition, until under control.. Then start slowly with a food you have seen work in the past.  If you want to change when things are settled, do it gradually and at the first signs of upset stop, go back to what you know is not going to upset them.  Then proceed again. I think I made this mistake with Leo in trying to give him everything I thought was good stuff.  And tho it may be, it was too much!   

Above all check with your vet.  If a dog has loose or runny stools for 2 days, something is wrong. Don't wait weeks hoping it will get better. Maybe it will, but what is at risk while we wait it out?

Also, I noticed that carrots are a big stinky!  Again, I was giving him too much..a whole carrot several nights in a row.  I think a few bite sized might have been fine.  But I over did his love for the carrots and found out the hard way.

Good Luck.

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I really think age has something to do with this too.  When I got Fancy, I tried to change her diet, thinking what she was on wasn't the best I could do for her.  I went slowly, yada, I know the routine, and any treats that weren't her main protein source would give her the runs.  She had major runs. I tried pumpkin, the whole nine yards.  What I finally did was put her back on her original puppy food, dry...2-3 times a day, depending on her appetite, and she's been fine ever since.  She's growing just fine, her coat sheens and she's healthy. (Dry, being the operative word.)  She has tons of water available, tho if the bowl goes dry by 10 PM, so be it, the potty thing. 

I think maybe my pup was to young and now her digestive system is growing up a little as she can now gets treats that don't set her off.

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I fed Lil Mama white rice with a little plain yogurt for dinner last night.  This morning no loose stools.  Yay!!!!  I gave rice & yogurt again this morning just to be on safe side.  Now what??  My instinct is to keep giving rice/yogurt and adding chicken or eggs for a couple days and then start adding kibble slowly.  If the loose stools return, then I will know for sure it is the kibble.  While going thru this process, what else can I give her to be sure she is getting the nutrients she needs?

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Turns out that the little treats I was giving her for training were the culprit to Lil Mama's tummy problems.  We have had not issues since I quit giving them to her.  Yay!!!

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Glad to read that you found the problem.  Any time you need to go on the bland diet -- do it until the diarrhea or vomiting stops and then slowly mix in normal food the day after.  I actually make my dogs fast for 24 hours when they've had diarrhea (explosive, mind you, not runny stools) or vomiting.  Then its rice & cottage cheese the next day and if there is no incident, we go back to normal the following day.