Seizures in 1 1/2 year old male doberman

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So our young man Bacca right before thanksgiving had what I believed to be a seizure.  He was sleeping and fell out of bed, his legs were chasing, head back drooling, peeing all over and non responsive.  He came through and was nervous and disoriented.  About two weeks later same thing, he woke from a nap during the day.  I called the vet and brought him in they did a Lyme test, glucose testing, blood work , toxin tests etc.  they could not find anything wrong or abnormal.  I was told to keep a log if he has another seizures of what he ate, drank, activity etc.  so as of now he has had 4 seizures all basically the same waking up out of sleep, lasting about 30-45 seconds and then being lathargic and disoriented for a day or two after.  I cleaned out all treat cupboards that had any treats that were not natural and made in the usa I also just started him on natural balance dog food, he was eating purine one ( I looked for something with no dyes extras etc.) can anyone think of what may be causing this and what I need to ask my vet to do?  He recommended a neurologist but I am wondering if I should take any steps before that point.  Thank you

 

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Hi Sara and Bacca, 

 Welcome to the forum:) 

I wish I could help you and your pup. I hope that you have contacted his breeder and possibly another vet.

Must be awful, he is too young for grandmalaiase problems like this, but they are not a healthy breed. Sometimes I am relieved that our dog Bella is a mix.

Hopefully more people will write in.

 

good Luck, 

 Julia and PB

 

 

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Thanks Julia and PB. I have contacted breeder and she is horrified for him.  She has not. Had any other issues with any pups.  Two people we know have gotten pups from her in the past with NO issues at all.  I have contacted another vet and am bringing Bacca there next week, I was talking to his puppy daycare and she also suggested a holistic vet?  I am not sure if anyone has ever tried one but I just want this poor guy to be okay.  It is just so weird that it randomly started about two months ago no problems before that.  Last night we were actually making a list of stuff to ask the vet, maybe from him playing rope whipping his head back and fourth.  We are trying to look at all possibilities.  Thank you again for your concern.

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I am so sad that I have no suggestions for you.. Just wanted to let you know how sorry I am to hear this..

Please keep us all updated..

Katie, Sofia and Bella

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So I spoke again with the vet today he suggested I keep him on a grain free, dye free etc diet from now on and see if that helps if he does have anymore it looks like he is headed to a neurologist to see if we can get any answers.  I made the appointment a few weeks out just yo see if the switch in diet seems to help.  Thanks again.

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I have had 4 animals that have had seizures of varying types and reasons behind the seizures.....

Seizures are a result of a short circuit in the brain caused by a trigger my first experience with this was a cat that had horrible seizures for a year before it just ruined his quality of life during which we had no idea what was causing it then finally the vet saw a brain tumor while looking in his eyes; then we had a whippet that had a major shoulder injury and I learned that injuries of a major type in older animals can cause the seizure threshold to lower and he began having gran mal seizures which is what your dog sounds like he's having, he would sleep for 20 hours afterwards then be awake for a few hours then have another one so he was not living he was sleeping his life away it was terrible for him; then we had a dog that reacted to certain meds by having a seizure so avoiding those was the answer; now we have a chihuahua we adopted almost 10 years ago and he had seizures for no reason we thought, but I began taking certain things out of his diet and realized he had a hyper sensitivity to protein so the levels in his food have to be below 16% which is hard to find, and he cannot have any treats of any sort....he used to have seizures daily but once I found the trigger he has one maybe every 6 months or so

My only concern is that with gran mal it's harder to determine the trigger and to maintain normal function, gran mals don't typically go away like my chi's did.....they do have seizure meds but that can be a roller coaster to find the right one, be prepared for that, you may see more seizures or worse seizures until the right med and level of med is figured out.....it's scary but in gran mal seizures they have no idea what is happening only you know they just know a tiny bit of time expired if that.....you have to stay calm and don't freak out....also stress can be a big trigger so look at your household and see if there have been any stress triggers for him....remembering of course that dobermans see the world differently and what might stress him you might never think of so think like him.....

Good luck and keep us posted
 

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Thank you Talisin, I brought Bacca for a second opinion on Friday he received a full exam, scan and the vet read all of his blood work reports and only found one level that didn't make sense to him.  Bacca has been getting a rash on his inner thighs and he said the one level is usally off if it is fighting off a bacteria or sickness of sorts.  So he is thinking that is why it is off but is going to keep an eye on it.  I have also changed his diet he is only having grain free dye free no extra treats etc.  the vet also mentioned maybe we should keep him home from daycare for the next couple weeks to see if something there is triggering his seizures.  So now it is just a waiting game, he also prescribed him some medication, but We are waiting to see if anything else helps first. Thank you again for reading and taking time to respond.  Have a great day!

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Keep us posted on your process of elimination it might take time but you will figure it out somehow....sometimes it's just bright sunlight or excitement that can trigger them

Good luck

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So we have seen two vets and a specialist who cannot find anything wrong with our little man.  We changed his food, only get treats with no dyes, grains etc.  we also have been keeping him home from daycare and trying not to get him too excited, anxious about anything (as per the vet). He had gone 2 1/2 weeks and we thought maybe we were in the clear.  Yesterday morning he was awake and headed to go outside and dropped instantly and had a seizure Again.  :(  we loved him, cleaned him up and gave him lots of snuggles, then about 8 hours later while out playing in the snow he had another one. He has never had a seizure when awake, he normally is sleeping and has never had more than one in a day.  So we finally decided yesterday to start him on Meds prescribed from his vet office.  We wish we could have not taken this route, but we want what is best for our baby and it seems like this may be the next step.  Thank you all again for your advice and support.

Sara