RAW....My brain is running!

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Ok,OK. I'm really thinking about feeding RAW. It does sound much more healthy and logical. I did check out some web sites, but I'm not sure 1) how to introduce. Just throw them a raw chicken leg?2) What types of meat and parts to give. 3) Fish once a week. We go fishing so this will be easy. Mostly trout sometimes perch. 4) How much to feed?  Don't forget I have Duncan (13 wk old dobie), Foxy (12 yr old Aust. cattle dog), Dante (15 yr old cat) and Kitty Galore (1 yr old cat). They would all be going RAW. Any advice,web site or books would be greatly appreciated.

I'm not having any problems with what I'm feed now (Blue Buffalo). If Raw is to tricky I'm also thinking about getting dry kibble Wilderness by Blue Buffalo. I give them a can of this already mixed with the regular Blue.

Please let me know what you all think!!

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Hey Darth...first welcome from Buddy and me In NYC!!!.....OK SO NOW TO THE POST YOU HAVE HERE...

 

 

gO sLOW...CHICKEN AND CHICKEN PARTS FOR FIRST LIKE first week ((MONITOR YOUR DOG AND MAKE SURE HE IS HANDLING EVERYTHING OK...AND NOT GULPING THE RAW))..Also are you going total RAW OR KIBBLE ONE MEAL rAW NEXT MEAL?? (i RECOMMEND TO FEED KIBBLE AND rAW SEPERATELY..SOME SAYS IT DONT MATTER))....CHICKEN NECKS, LEGS WINGS QUARTERS..ETC.(FOR LIKE FIRST WEEK))....THEN AFTER FIRST WEEK start to add in organs (liver, kidney ..etc))...then you can start to add in variety turkey , fish, etc...here is a link that might help also THERE ARE some old threads on here for people that had same question as you.

 

http://www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm

 

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WOW Nupe.. Buddy is just getting so big and beautiful.. He's filled out considerably since you posted last. He might get signed up for the NY Jets!

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I love the way Buddy looks!  He has a "no-nonsense" look on his face, too....ALL "Business" with this guy.

Nupe, Buddy is one good lookin' guy.

Darth, When I started Jewel, I just went cold turkey, literally, I gave her "cold turkey" . Now she gets a variety of meats, meaty bones and organ meat (she DOES NOT like liver, go figure). Now I don't schedule anything, just randomly give different things.

Jax was started on raw by the breeder so I just followed through. He won't eat kibble, I tried! He'll sniff it, look up at me like he's saying "What ! , Really??". Put a chicken leg down and it's ON ! 

I still can't find a real butcher, one that gets a cow and chops it up. Everything is pre-chopped now days it seems. So I cruise the grocery stores for the specials and 2 for 1 sales. Nupe, tell me if I'm wrong but from what I've read, they get 2% to 3% of their body weight (as a starting piont) daily as an adult. A puppy (they never gave an age, just said puppy) is 10% daily. So in my case I make 1 1/2 pound portions, put it in freezer bags and thaw what I need for that day. For snacks I buy Beef Back Ribs, cut them in 2 bone portions and freeze. I don't thaw those, kinda like a doggy popsicle. They gnaw the meat off and work on the bones for days. Pork ribs are good too but those bones last about, it's gone already. They have learned how to chew, you hear crunchin' and crackin' going on and Jewel's teeth are snow white.

I supplement with cottage cheese and plain yogurt "breakfast". I still give them their "pet-tabs" in the morning "If it's not helping them, it makes me feel better".

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Thanks for the thread Darth.  Im currently feeding TOTW but had wondered about feeding raw and this really helps.  After all if teh cost is about the same and the benefits are better maye its worth a shot.. Of course I will keep researching before making a choice but it sounds very promising for teh future of my gang..

Buddy looks fabulous by the way!

That is a fantastic link Nupe, thanks for sharing. I saved in my favorites and joined the raw list.

As most of you know I've been feeding raw for quite some time now for Romeo. We started on the prepackaged grind. I've dipped into making it myself and boy what a lot of work! I'm still going at it and hope it becomes easier. I also still hold onto the meat while he crunches it in fear that he will swallow it like he did the ENTIRE raw turkey drumstick. BTW for those of you that know that story I think it finally came out! I was picking up poo the other day and it had a long bone in it. It had really been dwindled down in the thickness of it but it came out one long big bone! Cant imagine what that must have been like going through the intestine. He never showed any discomfort from it and it took more than a month for it to come through. AMAZING! The vet told me not to worry to much about it just to look for signs of blockage.

Yesterday I took a package of drumsticks out that were for Romeo and put them in our deep kitchen sink to unthaw. When I went to work they were still frozen so I left them there and texted my daughter later to put them away. Well she forgot and left them out. My major counter surfer Paris (Romeo's mother) must have pulled them down. When I got home the only evidence was one leg that was in the sink (she must not have been able to reach that one) and a small piece of the Styrofoam packaging. Needless to say none of them got dinner that night because I wasn't positive WHICH one did it. Last night it became very apparent who did it because I was up all night letting Paris out to go to the bathroom. Darn dog! Wouldn't you know it was the mega package to boot. She is the worst counter surfer.

Nupe just out of curiosity how much does Buddy weigh? Can you give me an idea of what you feed him on a daily basis and how much do you vary it?

I strongly encourage anyone thinking of feeding raw to try it. I've had AMAZING results with Romeo! You don't have to worry about switching slowly either. My dog had the worst digestion issues and has the most sensitive stomach ever, we did it literally overnight and he has never had any problems since.

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Thanks for the update Des.. Have been wondering about the 'outcome' of the oft talked about seldom seen turkey leg.

Have you tried tin cans or bells or other noise makers to keep Paris from Surfing? I've heard they work pretty well.

One lady just left a cookie sheet on top of a roasting pan.. and when her boy jumped up, it made such a clatter... he never returned again.

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Lady Kate, great idea!! Harley has started counter surfing.....in secret :/ lol

@gunslinger, You have it right there, I feed Harley about 8% of his body weight as he was getting a bit too chubby on 10% it's all down to the individual I think. I too have the same problem with butchers, I do the same as you at the supermarket. 

@Darth, I'm so glad your thinking about switching to RAW. You won't regret it!! I have got some of THE best advice and tips from Nupe and RND also Gemma (I hope she contirbutes to this post). This a site a found useful....

 http://www.dogguide.net/raw-diet-basics.php

This post was also helpful :)

http://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-corner/27341-thinking-switching-my-puppy-over-raw-advice-needed.html#post443929

But my main source of facts was from this site. There are soooooo many post in the diet section of the forum and the advice from other RAW feeders was truly invaluable! 

I was very nervous at the start of feeding a homemade raw. So For the first 5 weeks I fed Harley a premade raw from BIG DOG BARF. Now I feed a Mince from BIG DOG BARF and add in the fish/eggs/yoghurt/etc to that myself. Harley is doing great and looks really healthy. There is alot of information on the web, some good, some not so good. But do your research and you wil be fine. Also we are all here for you with any questions/concerns you have :)

 Sian and Harley

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RN....first off good to see you again lol....and Buddy weighs 96 pound as of sunday this week....his diet is basically varied dailey....but my cornerstone meats are...chicken quarters and turkey necks he also gets some kind of organ every day...either beef liver, kidney or heart. I never give him the same thing 2 datys in a row Rn (but thats just me)....for example...if he eats chicken quarters and liver one day the next day he gets ..turkey and kidney.....but i have fed anything from chicken ...to turkey...to goat meat ...rabbitt...etc etc..

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Gunny... My friend knows of a real old timey butcher around here. I'll have to ask him where they are and I'll let you know.

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and ty for compliments on Buddy guys!!! i APPRECIATE THAT!!

Kate, we have tried different things with Paris' surfing. She is a secret counter surfer lol. In fact she waits for the door to shut and then she does her surfing. We have caught her in action. In fact one time we had just went out the door she heard it shut, we turned around and came right back in only to see and hear the pan falling to the ground. Noises do not bother my dogs unfortunately lol. I've always trained from puppy hood that when they hear a loud noise or something suspicious we "Go see" what it is. I've made such a fun game out of it that they LOVE loud noises and things because they get to go investigate.

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Des~

\Hmmm.. it's going to take a lot to outsmart that girl.

Could you have a motion activating speaker thingie that says:

"NO Paris..DOWN!! go to bed!" ?? Wouldn't THAT be a hoot!!?

Kate LOL.

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Hmm quick question about feeding rabbit..  What parts do you feed? We have 2 pairs of rabbits and can purchase market rabbits very cheap around here so there is another thought.. We were planning to suppliment our own freezer because it is one of teh healthiest meats around but if we began feeding raw- we could share..

We hunt every year for deer and go fishing weekly. I also have a local butcher who is a great friend and would probably save goodies for the Dober kids. What would I ask him about?  He has a slaughter house and smoke house out back so I can get basically anything from foul to deer, cows, and ect..  I met his dad which started the business 47 years ago last week when we ran down to pick up beef sticks and trail bologna for my mom to fly back to Fl with, he told me if I needed anything to call him up..

This is sounding better and better..

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Is the poultry that you are feeding boneless?

I was told that pork bones were undigestable and way too soft.

I stopped giving bones when the vet was giving Ozzy a check up and pulled a undigested bone with pointed edges out of his rectum. Scared the hell out of me considering it was large and sharp enough to puncture something on it's way through his organs. And poultry bones splinter.

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ok I will assume livelaugh and philn...your post are for me ?..lol....so here goes...I feed RAW FROZEN WHOLE RABBIT... I get rabbitt right from spanish grocery store here in Queens , ny..((you have to love all the different cultures In NYC and the different foods you can get here)).....and Mostly all the poultry I feed have Bone in it..and Wow @ phil.....about the bones and Ozzy....Knock on wood** I have yet to have any inssue yet with a bone. (God I hope I didnt just jinx myself..lol))

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 Thanks to all of you for all your support , info and expertise!! I'm making a list and going to check for some butchers in my area. I know we have a few. A lot of deer hunters here. Hey maybe I can get the stuff they throw out. Thanks also for the web sites.

Nupe, Buddy is WOW!!!

What is TOTW? A brand of food?

I will keep you posted.

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Hi Darth.. ... Yes TOTW is a high protien no grain food butit is expensive.  Its actually Taste of the Wild and runs $28 for a 15 pound bag.. Ughhh

Thanks for the heads up on feeding rabbits. That makes it even easier.. lol

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Just wanted to say Buddy looks GREAT!!