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So for about the past month, Margaery has been throwing up. We took her to the vet, but they can't find anything wrong with her. Her vomiting is peculiar. She only vomits yellow bile once a day, at 8:30 am M-F. Never on the weekends, and never at any other time. It is extremely inconvinent because I work till 2 am, and don't fall asleep untill 3 am. So I hadn't been asleep that long when she wakes me up. And since its always M-F when it happens its not like my husband can take care of it one morning, since he's already been at work for a few hours by that time. I always have to get up, change the sheets, put them in the washer, and clean the stain off the bed, and let the dogs out. By that time, I'm fully awake, and usually can't fall back asleep. 

 

We've tried everything. We tried feeding her more food at dinner time. We tried feeding her more at dinner time, and a snack right before bed. We tried not forcing her to wake up when my husband gets up for work for the morning bathroom break. We've tried forcing her to wake up. We've even tried to limit how much she suckles her suckling blanket in the morning. Though that last one if you take away her blanket and fall asleep, she starts to suckle on our blankets (or even our pillows!). 

 

I'm beginning to think she does it specifically to wake me up. But couldn't she just bark, or lick my face like a normal dog? 

 

Any suggestions or ideas? Normally if someone asks a question like this I'd say "Take her to the vet" but I've already done that and without doing a wild goose chase of expensive tests, there's really no way to see whats wrong. Thats literally how the dr described it. Since it could be anything, they would have to test for everything. They already did a bunch of tests when her eye was being weird. They did blood tests, tick panels, all sorts of things. They couldn't find anything, and her eye weirdness cleared up with drops, but then the vomiting began. 

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June did that when he was refusing to eat, and I have a horrid schedule also so I feel your pain. I have been making him bone/marrow stock for about 2 months now because he *really* likes it with his kibble, but I read that one of the benefits of it is that it calms the tummy also. The store bought stuff doesn't have nearly as many health benefits, and has a lot of added sodium and preservatives. Might be worth a shot if you can't figure anything else out. Maybe she just gets stressed that you're asleep and your husband is gone :P

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If it's in the morning Ares does that to. It's because of to much acid in the stomach so we make sure every night he has a midnight snack and the morning vomit ceased :) if it still continues in the morning even with a nighttime snack snack you might need a acid reducer like pepscide ask your vet about getting her on something like that since its morning barf and only bile I would assume it's an acid problem.

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I will try those suggestions. The only other things I can think to do would be have my husband feed her when he wakes up in the morning, or have him kennel her when he wakes up. Or both. I just can't do the waking up to her throwing up on my bed anymore. I'm at my wits end. 

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Ya I don't blame you might as well keep her in the crate lol I only let Ares in our bed to relax before he goes to his crate but he sleeps every night in his crate lol

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Both of our girls sleep in the bed with us all night. Besides the throwing up thing, its a joy to have them curled up next to me. 

 

The crate will be the last resort, because Margaery sings the song of her people when she is crated, and that is not very condusive to me sleeping. 

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Ya I don't allow him to sleep in the bed with us when we are going to bed. We might have a California king but my fiancé and I need our alone time so both dogs go in the crate for the night I wake up at 6:30 and let Ares out Deegan goes out at 7:30 -9 ... He likes to sleep in. Ares has a morning routine where I will give him his probiotic and I get my coffee then after my coffee Ares gets breakfast lol Deegan watches annoyed that he doesn't get breakfast lol it's pretty funny anyways maybe get her on a probiotic ? It has helped Ares tummy tremendously ! We got it off of Amazon it's called vetri science. What are you giving her as a before bed snack ?

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Just a handful of her kibble as her snack. I'm not really sold on this kibble. Its giving both the dogs horrific gas...but omg their coats are the softest and shiniest they have ever been. I have the problem of cost vs. health benifits. :/

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Just a handful of her kibble as her snack. I'm not really sold on this kibble. Its giving both the dogs horrific gas...but omg their coats are the softest and shiniest they have ever been. I have the problem of cost vs. health benifits. :/

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What food is she on ? Ares used to have terrible gas till the probiotic it has cut it to half of what it was if not more. We had to switch him over to raw diet though and he's been doing very well with that. Maybe do a kong with something more substantial. For Ares we do peanut butter turkey sometimes a hot dog. Or we do peanut butter and natural wet dog food and I'll freeze it so it last longer. 

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Lol I think a lot of dobes have gas lol dobergas is pretty gross I'll admit he made me gag once and of course my other half thought it was hilarious .... Lol

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We're feedin purina currently. 

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Dobes need a high quality of kibble. Maybe switch to Taste of the wild, acana, or orijen. I was on taste of the wild and it works great when he would actually eat it but my guy is extremely picky !

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I may be the minority, but I hate giving my dogs unnatural supplements/vitamins/medications for issues that should be solvable through diet. I'll give Imodium or benedryl for a couple of days, but generally try to look for long term, non-synthetic solutions. I would try a change in kibble and maybe something to balance the gut--homemade stock, yogurt/cottage cheese, or green tripe are all good options. Petflow sells Tripett brand canned green tripe that Juneau likes.

I'm with you, my boys are allowed to sleep with me :) They know to to get off when told to, but I like having them nearby. 

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Oh, and on Orijen and previously Canidae Juneau does not have gas. Not sure if it is those foods or what, but I'm thankful. He had AWFUL gas for the 2 weeks he was on Blue Buffalo. 

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Blue buffalo is a terrible food. I don't think there's anything wrong with probiotics they boost the immune system and keep my stomach happy. I have to take probiotics as well since I have gastro intestinal issues

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Like I said, I'm probably the minority. I hate taking things for myself either. I have a dead bone in my foot that needs to be removed and I still can't bring myself to take painkillers or anti-inflammatory pills until the surgery :-/ I did start them on glucosamine/chondroitin at the suggestion of a close family friend/veterinarian but even that...I'm considering stopping it since the marrow bones give a lot of the same stuff in the stock. 

For some reason June's to-be puppy trainer recommended Blue Buffalo?? I tried it and it was not good for us. Another vet said to use whatever works for your dog though, even if it has grains of whatnot. Just because grains have been deamonized by grain-free companies does not mean that their inclusion marks a food as inferior. I believe that, even though I feed grain-free foods. You have to look at the top ingredients, the quality of meat ingredients, and the source and quality of grains. 

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Our boys do that if their hungry. We use purina too.

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Ya the lower quality food take more to fill the dog because it has a bunch of fillers. So I'd looked into a better food

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I agree with AresMyDobie, it is probably an acid build up. We give Anubis an acid reducer frequently to avoid the same issue. At 85lbs he gets 10mg roughly an hour after last meal. Hope this helps.

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Can't add much to this as the question has already been answered.. yep.. she's hungry.. and yep Purina is not the best food.. and yep.. we had dire results with Blue and yep.. it IS inconvenient to offer a post midnight snack..

Yep yep yep..

When you do switch to something a little more premium.. go slow.. take up to ten or so days to make the complete change.

Good luck..

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I did the midnight snack thing at 2 am when I came home from work last night. Margaery slept right through to the intended breakfast time. 

 

I'd eventually like to switch back to a better food, but money is definitely an issue currently. I don't get why purina isn't as good as it used to be. All the pets I grew up with were on purina for their entire lives, and didn't have gas or any other issues. Ugh.

Anyways. Margaery let me sleep, and didn't throw up in the bed, and she wasn't a huge pain to wake up and feed in the middle of the night. 

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Good glad to see she was better :) 

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I understand the wanting to save money, but would suggest that a Purina diet is penny wise and pound foolish. No offense intended.

I've had two dogs that had acid reflux. The first one - my Dobe cross - was not properly diagnosed until it turned into Inflammatory Bowel Disease. And yes, the allopathic vet wanted me to put her on an antacid.

The thing is - the stomach will produce MORE acid to counteract the antacid, because it can't digest the food you are feeding. And it can turn into thickened bowels, because the digestive tract becomes inflammatory all the way through.

If you are feeding a diet that causes acid reflux or gas, you will most likely pay far more in vet bills than you ever would pay for a better dog food. My second dog I caught early, and switched proteins and no grains. He's fine.

With both of my dogs, it was feeding them foods they could NOT digest that caused acid reflux and with Lib, IBD.  With proper foods, she lived another 7 years. If I had not switched (with the help of a holistic vet) she would have died within the next 6 months.

A good place to research dog foods is: www.dogfoodadvisor.com

They also will send out an e-mail letting you know of recalled dog foods, if you sign up for it.

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^^ great info and so agree with you. A proper diet is everythibg it's the fuel they use and if they don't get proper nutrition they suffer for it. Taste of the wild isn't to bad cost wise i Oder that from Amazon. I will never recommend blue. Just something to think about. I also will never feed RX foods. 

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If you live near a Costco, Kirkland Nature's Domain line is a pretty decent food for the cost. I had to feed the fish formula to Otto a couple of times when I was a poor student and he can eat it for a month or so before his allergies really flared up. It is manufactured by Diamond, so you'll deal with more recall issues than a more premium food, but it will still be an upgrade for not considerably more cost. 

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No offense was taken to any of the suggestions given. We switched back to an old dog food that we used to feed (rachel ray just 6) Margaery doesn't like the flavor as much as she did the flavor of the purina. She sits and waits a moment when we feed her as if to say "Where's the good stuff mom?" 

 

Since we changed the food, and the feeding schedule, there have been no more issues!

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if it's an acid problem a more natural way is to give  a tablespoon or so of apple cider vinagar in their water it will balance the lack of or abundance of acid in their tummies.

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I will definitely try that if the problem comes back. :) Thank you!