Need help with diet

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Hello everyone, I'm requesting some suggestions/advise on what to feed our Doberman?
We've had Athena for about 2 months now after adopting her and she is an amazing dog....so well behaved and she has bonded so well with us and our Min Pin.

She is 3 1/2 years old and the previous owners were feeding her Pedigree for large breeds, so we stuck with that to avoid any eating problems. However this food gives her terrible gas!!! Also her coat stinks, the kind of smell most outside dogs have, yet she is an inside dog. Our hands smell every time we pet her :(

I give both of the dogs baths regularly, about once every 2 weeks, sometimes more because Athena loves the pond at the dog park we frequent a couple of times a week.

I'm pretty sure the food is to blame because we feed our Min Pin Eukanuba and she never smells or has any problems, but since we got Athena and the Pedigree, we can tell when the Min Pin gets into it because she will have gas as well.

Also, Athena is a fawn and has color dilution alopecia. Her coat is very thin around her torso.

Is there anything we can give her to help strengthen or thicken the coat she has left?
What kind of food would be better and help the gas situation...because it's extremely unbearable LOL!

Thanks in advance, this forum has been great and helped tremendously when we first got her. You guys have great advice.

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I would suggest going to an all natural high quality food....such as blue buffalo, wellness etc. Taking the fillers out of food usually helps a lot with the gas, amount of poo and our Athena is very very shiny with a thick coat.  I don't know if it would help her coat or not but it would certainly help with the gas

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Where can I find these brands?  Doesn't sound like food I can find at Petsmart???


 

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Nevermind, I guess they do carry those at my Petsmart =)

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 Hi Ty~Thank you for writing and thank you so much for adopting your beautiful Athena...

Sofia is also a fawn although she's a lot lighter than your sweet girl, and doesn't have those distinctive rust marks your Athena shows.. I've always been leery of CDA because of her color, but so far, no problems.

Have you tried fish oil capsules?

Also, I would cut down on the baths, maybe just a hose off after a pond run.. Sofia gets full baths with an oatmeal based shampoo only once a month or less and we use unscented baby wipes, and a mixture of skin-so-soft and water ( 3-1) in between.

Also... the smell:.

I noticed an odd smell on our girl a couple of years ago.. almost like Fritos.. Had her tested for thyroid and yes, the count was low.

If you do change her food, do so gradually.. Take up to a week to have her completely transitioned. Best of luck with the Omega 3.. Sofia did not tolerate them very well, but I've heard they do wonders for CDA.

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Thanks Lady Kate.

What is skin-so-soft and how do you use it.

The fish oil capsules, do I feed her the whole capsule or can I get the liquid kind and pour some on her food?

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Oh gas.. I know you well.  But we get hit with it when we give Steve some stinky bones.  

I agree that sometimes it can be from the fillers in lower quality food.  If you have the finances and find that the higher quality food does the trick, by all means, switch to it!  But you can always try the next step up and see how that works.  Go and read the packages at the store.  You want to see the first ingredient as being a protein and then the rest.  

I've fed almost every type of brand of food over the years... I have had the best luck with Kirkland (Costco), which I think Lady Kate feeds Sofia, and soon as Steve is off puppy food we will switch to that.  Of all the food Miles has tried over the years, thats his favorite which is funny to think that the cheapest bag is the best... kind of goes against what you'd think, right?

If you have a Pet Food Express near you, you might want to go there to purchase your food in bulk.  When you buy 3 bags, you get the 4th free.  I like it because then I'm getting a little bit of a break on the price.  I currently feed everyone Nutro Ultra, which is more organic and less fillers, than most food but is a medium priced brand.

Good luck.  She's gorgeous.  And Omega 3's are good supplements in general.

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Ty~ Skin -So-Soft is an Avon product. It's like an after shower moisturizer... Keeps mosquitos away and we Southern Belles have used it for years.

I mix three parts water to one part SSS in a spay bottle and spritz it on Sofia about once a week... smells good and keeps her coat soft and shiny.

Yes, Jess is right.. Kirkland Signature Premium Kibble is one of the best rated kibbles and we are fortunate enough to have a Costco in Ensenada only 45 mins away rather than the five hour trek to the closest PetSmart in the States. I give Sofia Adult Healthy Weight and she's maintained her weight and her thyroid count is normal ( two pills a day)We do add a little white chicken  meat to her three small meals a day.. The total cup count is only four cups, being a premium dog food, we use less.

She gets celery and carrots for treats...  and have never had a gas problem.. Of course, by now I'm sure you've discovered that Sofia is a DoberDiva and Diva's just do not  ppppttff! (It's against the by-laws)

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I also suggest one of the high end brand and grain free (NO FILLERS) dog kibble....also for the coat I suggest a supplent called 'Missing LINK"... i BEEN FEEDING Buddy Canadae Grain Free All Life stages since he was a pup no problems....here is link for the Missing Link supplement.

 

 

 

 

http://www.missinglinkproducts.com/

I would like to second the suggestions given by Nupe. The more I research dog food and diets the more I think it is important to feed a grain free diet. I now feed 2 of my 3 a raw diet and the other gets a grain free dry food. There are many out that are high quality such as Taste of the wild (in fact Costco nows carries a grain free dog food made from the same manufactures as taste of the wild. For those of you that feed the Costco brand for just a few dollars more you can feed a grain free.

Missing link is an excellent supplement to use. I currently use products made by B Natural. Here is the link for that. http://www.b-naturals.com/

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A lower cost pretty decent food that I feed our dobie is Kirkland from cosco, her and my lab do very well on it, and its a way higher quality than pedigree and cheaper.

I also feed her raw bones a couple times a week, and fish oil 4 times a week, plus raw and steamed veggies :)

Good luck! :)

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So we got Athena Nutro Ulta and she seems to be liking it.

Also picked up some baby wipes & fish oil.  Her skin has been dry and she has a little dandruff.

 

When you guys refer to "raw" food what does this mean?

Also with the fish oil I bought gelcaps and gave her 1 last night covered in peanut butter so she would eat it.  Is this OK?

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Ty... Sure sounds like a good plan, just please be sure you change food gradually, or you'll end up with symptoms and keep treating them with different measures. Keep a good eye on Athena's poo

( I know I know.eeeeuuuwwwww... but that's really the best way to see if food is agreeing. ) and  besides, don't be shy, we're all veteran poo watchers here)Good luck and thank you for posting.

RnD feeds raw and I am hoping she'll read this thread and post her recipes.. I've never tried it.. we do really well on Kirkland Premium and a little white chicken meat.

You guys are totally missing my posts along with NUPE who suggested the same...GRAIN FREE is the way to go!

If you are already feeding Costco food...do your dog a favor and switch to the GRAIN FREE brand they are now carrying. I've researched a lot on dog food and have been through hell with our last litter. I firmly believe in a grain free diet for all dogs if you can afford it. My dogs are all on a grain free diet in some form or another. 2 of the 3 are now being fed a totally raw diet and I will post more about that if anyone is interested. The other dog is being fed the grain free dog food from costco. The new grain free dog food that costco carries is made by the same manufacturers as Taste of the Wild another food that I've fed in the past at a portion of the cost. Very worth checking into!

Nutro ultra is not a very good food in comparison to others for the same cost. compared to the other food that she was being fed it is a definite step in the right direction. I can give you other recommendations that would be much better. I would really suggest spending some time reviewing what dog foods are made of and which ingredients to look for.

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rnddobermans-  I read your post and thank you.  The only problem is I don't have a Costco membership and no one in Colorado carries Missing Link, so I would have to order it.

My parents have a Costco membership but they live 45 minutes from us, so I guess I can try their brand of food as long as I time the trips correctly.  I'm also noticing that the Eukanuba we feed our Min Pin is loaded with filler as well....an here I thought it was a quality brand!  We've never had any problems with it though and her coat is super shiny and she is very healthy, so not sure if I want to switch the Min Pin's food.

 

I'm interested in the raw diet, please tell me more.

 

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You can order products such as missing link from websites.

I feed 2 of mine a totally raw diet. Right now they are eating this product which is made by one of our Schutzhund members. She sells it to our club members at a discount which is great. http://www.thecompletecanis.com/

Raw is basically that raw meat. I use supplements from the b-natural site they also have a lot of info on their about feeding raw. I'm getting ready to start making my own to keep the cost down even further. Most raw feeders will tell you that it is important to vary the meat ingredients to make a balanced diet. The whole idea behind the raw is to get back to the basics that dogs are made to eat. If anyone is interested I can post sample meals that I've been collecting from other people to give ideas on what meals should be.

I'm going to try and find the link for the color alopecia supplements that they gave. Having a dog with this problem having a good quality food is a priority. You will most likely have to supplement with things to help with the coat. Probably a little more than the missing link.

Will post more later Unless GLENGATE has the link for that lawyer cant remember his name that has a website on the alopecia and what he gave his dog.

We have had both fawns and blues in different litters. The last blue doberman puppy we had was sold to a very experienced blue dog owner. She started having lots of problems with the coat and has went back to a raw type diet and the dog is doing wonderfully on it. Not saying they will ever have a thick coat like the blacks and reds but much better.

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Desiree~ I too am interested in feeding raw, however I cannot get things like that shipped here. (there are huge restrictions regarding importing and duty through the postal service and food, prescriptions, even perfume is not allowed) ( Heck. there goes that fruitcake I was hoping for)

If I were to make my own, what ingredients should I use? How should I prepare and store it?

Thank you so much. and BTW LOVE love l-o-v-e Paris' picture as your Avatar.. Isn't she amazing!!!!

I'm feeding what I'm feeding right now because it is super easy. It was a good transition for me coming from dry dog food where you dont think about it you just measure and put it in the bowl lol. You can easily make your own just buying plain ingredients out of your local market where ever you buy your meat from.

Here is a link to a  Yahoo group that someone gave me off of another list. I haven't joined yet but do plan on doing that. She said it had lots of info on it. Feeding raw can be confusing so I think the more support you have when you make that jump the better. The people that have done it swear by it and my dogs are living proof of why. Anyways here is one link. well several lol.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes (kind of funny)    

http://rawfeddogs.net/FAQs  (good starter info)

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/RAW-lite/  (this group sounded very welcoming to new people)

Some of you don't like that I refer to the other group that I'm on but literally they have all the answers to everything that people ask. I started digging around on that site and have found so many useful things as far as the raw diet goes.

Here is a email from a breeder friend that encouraged me to switch and what she gives her crew. She buys a meat mix also but adds other things to it. I'm looking to not buy mixes anymore and totally make my own. The veggie mix she is talking about is bought from costco and she grinds up (very important for the dog to get the proper nutrition from it) it consists of broccoli, cauliflower, yellow and orange carrot. The blends and probiotic are all purchased through the b-natural website I referred to earlier. While some raw feeders supplement others do not.

> Breakfast:
> > > >
> > > > Ground Duck
> > > >
> > > > Ground veggie mix
> > > >
> > > > daily blend
> > > >
> > > > green blend
> > > >
> > > > ultra probiotic
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> > > > 3000 mg fish oil
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> > > > cooked sweet potato
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dinner:
> > > >
> > > > chicken hindquarter
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Breakfast:
> > > >
> > > > Canned Mackeral
> > > >
> > > > ground veggie mix
> > > >
> > > > daily blend
> > > >
> > > > green blend
> > > >
> > > > ultra probiotic
> > > >
> > > > 3000 mg fish oil
> > > >
> > > > pumpkin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dinner:
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> > > > chicken hindquarter
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Breakfast:
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> > > > Beef blend
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> > > > whole raw egg (crushed up)
> > > >
> > > > ground veggie mix
> > > >
> > > > daily blend
> > > >
> > > > green blend
> > > >
> > > > ultra probiotic
> > > >
> > > > 3000 mg fish oil
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> > > > yogurt
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> > > > Dinner:
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> > > > turkey Necks
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> > > > I switched cold turkey. Can your old girl handle it? Try her just on the grind, see how she does. You may want leaner as the fat can be hard to digest. Know that oftentimes, these raw food producers will use chicken backs or necks for their chicken grind, leaving all the fat on - i.e., the chicken grinds can be very fatty. I don't order the chicken grind as my dogs get plenty of chicken for their dinner. Chicken goes on sale all the time - Winco carries whole Foster Farms chickens (no saltwater injections) for 88 cents/lb. I usually buy the biggest chickens I can find - ideally close to 6 lbs, then cut 'em up myself and distribute this say:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Broox gets hindquarter, neck, guts
> > > >
> > > > Asia gets hindquarter and wing
> > > >
> > > > Emma gets breast and wing
> > > >
> > > > Tyra gets breast
> > > >
> > > > Neela gets the entire back
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> > > > Winco also has the large cans of canned mackeral for $1.48 - the best pricing I've found - 30 cents/can cheapter than Wal-mart.
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> > > > So - there's my info - feel free to ask more.
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> > > > Good luck!

 

I found the site I was referring to earlier on the blue Doberman written by Jim Anable. It is kind of overwhelming the amount of info on here but very useful info for blue and fawn doberman owners.

http://www.seattle-attorney.com/storm/