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Been a while since I've spoken here because everything has been going well.  Suddenly Daymian has developed problems all in the last weeks

1st was his right ear with impacted ear wax & a perforated ear drum.  Got that all fixed up with sedation, flushing, and antibiotics.

Then he is mysteriously limping and has a swollen right inside toe.  The vet got that looked at.  No break, just swelling.

Now he's been barely eating his regular food.  No amount of coaxing can get him to eat more than a handful a day.  Occasional vomiting, stool normal but much smaller, X-ray show nothing.  On oral & injected antibiotics.....has been seen by the vet last Wed, friday, & Saturday with more diagnostics.  He's cranky with Duke the min pin, was shaking when let outside with Fido fleece & an extra coat on top.  Sleeping most of the time this last week.

I have another appointment this Tuesday.  Vet says feed him human food or dog treats if that is all he will eat as long as he keeps it down.  Watch for vomiting and keep an eye on his BM's.  Can't find any obstructions.  Is there something the vet is missing?????? Please help.  I'm afraid.  I love him so much.  I can't bear to loose him.  What is my vet missing here?  I'm in tears and can barely see my keyboard.  I've spent a ton in the last 2 weeks and not afraid to spend more......advise please!

 

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I'd take him to a specialist, or like a hospital. Obviously the vet you're taking him to doesn't know anything. There's also a list of vaccinations that you should look on on this website. It has a lot of illnesses that can cause some problems. Maybe it's hormones. That can have an affect on dogs too.

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He's fully vaccinated.  He's also neutered(hormones?).  Closest specialist is across the border and customs won't allow him to cross if he appears unwell.  I'm taking him back to the vet in the morning.  The vet said there were a few more things he could do.  He said we don't have to wait for his Tuesday appointment, he'll see him in the morning and to call him back if he gets worse during the night.

 

Really hope vet sorts this out ..... You must be so worried . Keep us posted . X 

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A friend of mine with a Great Dane had a very similar thing happen with her dog.  Her vet suspected a spider bite, put him on antibiotics, and the swelling is starting to receed now.  His started out with a swollen toe, then his whole foot swelled up, and within 2 days the swelling was starting up his leg.  She was so afraid.  Vet seems to have made the right decision with antibiotics.  He's much better now, although not fully healed yet.

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I can only imagine how terrified you must be and I so wish I had some answers for you..

Just know that we're all sending best thoughts and prayers for your boy and please please let us know what you find out.

Katie

if you live in an area with Lymes, ask your vet to do a lymes snap test.

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yes full blood work up for anything that can be traced with bloodwork would be in order to rule out cancer, lyme as fitz says, spider bites can be nasty, my concern is the not wanting to eat and grumpy attitude that says he feels bad nag the vet this is not normal

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I've been too busy being at the veterinarian hospital for 9 days in a row to come to this forum. They finally admitted him last Wednesday morning and as a last resort opened him up to explore for blockage. So many xrays, ultra sound, barium, etc.  He had a very enlarged spleen and a build up of fatty tissue that they removed.  So now 3 days later, and still on an IV, he has maintained his refusal to eat. So I have been trying various foods which he ignores.  He won't eat their brand of food, so I brought his own.  Then the shopping began for things I know he likes and some things I've never tried before. Today I took in a bag of raw beef frozen food and some type of chicken all natural food in a tube that is kept in the frozen food section for dogs.  He showed mild interest in them, but didn't eat.  I took a lamb and rice all natural gluten free biscuit that I spotted at the check out as he has nosed them in the past while he shopped with me.  So he took the biscuit and he broke it in about 6 pieces.  Not sure if much went down. So, when I came out of his run, they tell me they are now looking at atypical Addison's disease.  She described how lively and energetic he appears to be, and that they have been syringe feeding him as well as maintaining his IV.  He does drink on his own, but the food refusal is driving me crazy. She said she will be in all weekend and will continue his current regiment but is now adding prednisone and further diagnostics.  She told me not to give up hope because he seems to be doing so well post surgically. Lively, listens well, happy tail wagging & full of kisses for everyone on staff.  He has passed urine (lots)  & bowel movement since his surgery (but oh so tiny) !

I don't know what to think, but I'll keep you posted from time to time. I spend a lot of time sitting with him.  I think on Monday, I will ask her if I can take him home for a couple hours to see if he just wants out of there, or if he is fearful of eating because the spleen was causing discomfort pushing on his stomach and he is afraid to eat.  I's like to keep him for a couple hours.  They have some kind of apparatus to make his IV portable. And he will lay around more now that it's winter.  He hates cold with a passion.

I'll try suggesting to the vet anything you recommend. And thanks friends.

 

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Oh my I am so sorry to hear this is continuing to stump the doctor.....my friend I've mentioned before with the 4 rotties in Alabama, one of her females lived with addisons for about 8 years it was very trying and they built a swimming pool just for her so she could keep her joints moving.....my friend was a chef with the dog food for her and the meds would have to be adjusted every so often, but she would have kept it up for a lifetime if it meant she would have her with her today.....she lived to be 11 years old!!! even with a bad case of addison's. I will keep you guys in my thoughts and hope it is something that will pass and never return!!!

keep us posted!!!

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I am wondering if I took him home for a couple hours he might eat.  He doesn't hate going to the vet, but being confined to a run, maybe he just needs to be home.  I can't stop thinking he just hates being separated from us and might eat at home where he's used to his routine. They said at least he takes the odd piece of food from us, but chews once and drops it.  When they do it, he won't budge on his refusal.

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Totally off the wall here.. do you suppose he has a toothache? Maybe chewing is hard? Have you tried a liquid diet? Dogs tend to eat with their noses.. I'm wondering if nice smelling chicken broth heated and poured over brown rice might entice??
Bella is such a gulper and has almost choked on her food that I make a 'stoup' out of her chicken, rice, kibble, pumpkin, vitamins and supplement meals.. Looks vile.. but she loves it and laps it up rather that inhaling..

My  heart is breaking for you.
 

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They vet just called and thinks he has it now.  He thinks Daymian has lock jaw, not Atypical Addisons.  He was checking on him this afternoon and said his ears lean in, his skin on top of his head is stuck furrowed, he walks, sits & stands like an arthritic old dog, and he has great difficulty opening Daymian's mouth even a bit. His 3rd eyelid is closing.  He sent me a picture of what he looks like now and asked for a similar picture of Daymian prior to becoming sick. He wants to see the skin on the top of his head unfurrowed, ears erect.  The comparison of the pictures is startling. So it was an enlarged spleen, and probably lockjaw.  He says it's very treatable.  My baby has been through so much, I sure hope this is it.  It all started with ear wax and a swollen toe & ankle.  This makes sense.  He must have punctured his toe prior to surgery.

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Wow. I'm glad to hear that's treatable, and have been keeping up with your posts - I'm holding a good thought for you and your boy.

The one thing that comes to mind after antibiotics is to give probiotics. Granted, he may not be eating at all because of tetanus, but the probiotics are always a good idea after antibiotics. I have seen some animals refuse food because of upset stomach and no good flora in the gut after a round of antibiotics. Quite often, if they need probiotics, they will eat them right out of the jar or pan straight.

Probios is the one I like - it's good for all animals, and you can buy it at a feed store for about $11.

 

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Thanks Kim.  I'll look for it before he's released.  I've been reading as the vet suggested on lockjaw & tetanus in animals.  It might take 3-4 weeks of IV treatments.  Funny how when you ask google for lockjaw dog or canine you get all the urban legends of Pitbull & other breeds supposed locking jaws.  Not what I was trying to research.  The only feed store I know of is TSC.  Would they carry it or should I look at a pet store?  Can I use yogurt with probiotics?

 

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Thanks Kim.  I'll look for it before he's released.  I've been reading as the vet suggested on lockjaw & tetanus in animals.  It might take 3-4 weeks of IV treatments.  Funny how when you ask google for lockjaw dog or canine you get all the urban legends of Pitbull & other breeds supposed locking jaws.  Not what I was trying to research.  The only feed store I know of is TSC.  Would they carry it or should I look at a pet store?  Can I use yogurt with probiotics?

 

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Yogurt doesn't have all the probiotics in it that Probios does. And yes, I looked it up - TSC carries it.

http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/probiosreg%3B-dispersible-powder-2...

(The picture shows a larger jar - it's really about half that height.)

It says 1 tsp a day for dogs over 10 lbs - obviously, you'll want to give him more.

You've probably found the info online by now, but here's the Google link to pages about tetanus treatment for dogs...

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=tetanus+treatment+in+dogs

Good luck!  I hope he recovers soon!

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Wow... am so relieved. Now that you have a definite diagnosis.. the healing can begin.. It sounded like a mouth problem to me..All his symptoms sounded like he had the appetite.. just couldn't manage the eating.

Thank you so much for updating..

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Yay!  That's great news!  I was crossing my fingers every time I came here to read updates.  So glad that you have a solution. And now he'll be on the mend. :-))

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Oh pour baby! I feel so horrible about what he's gone through:( I'm glad there's something to treat now. Hopefully he recovers soon!

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Dear Kar-jinx,

 We have been following your posts and were so concerned for your Daymian when it was getting worse ansd worse. Thank you so much from him for keeping on with all the testing needed to finally figure out what it was. How scary!!!

 What a relief for all of us, and a big learning curve also! The link from Kim showing the little Goldie all prone and her long treatment was a real eye opener. 

 We hope he makes a full recovery, and are sending lots of prayers his way and to you too. With lots of luck, love and the great care he WILL be back to the happy healthy dog he always was.

        Bella sends doggies smooches his way 

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Oh my gosh I can only imagine how you feel. Edera got parvo and wouldn't eat or drink for 3 days! And was vomiting I cried so much I still tear up from the thought that I almost lost her. My prayers go out to you and your baby. I'm so so sorry. Keep going.

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Well here we are many days into IV treatments, antibiotics, muscle relaxants, horse tetanus anti toxin, (for which my vet had to call 17 different farm vets to find).  They thought at one point that they might have to induce a coma to treat him, but that didn't happen.  First he was hospitalized for days hooked up to his IV.  Recently we were able to take him each morning and I could pick him up each day after work for a quiet sleep at home.  Kind of sad he had to have a new IV put in each morning in a new location though, poor guy.  They used more than 17 bags of Ringer's Lactate to keep him hydrated. He was syringe fed during his stay.  His ears tilt in and the top of his head is still stuck wrinkled. The muscles have not yet relaxed. His jaws have now freed up enough to eat rather sloppily. He takes a small mouthful and has to tilt his head back to get food down. He's eating human low sodium / low fat soups with fresh meats & rice simmered into them. He is only allowed low fat cuts of meat. He started by eating about a half cup 3 times a day and continued to drop weight.  Total loss so far is 22 pounds in 14 days.  He now eats a bit more than a cup of food per meal. Wonderful people had heard about our boy and have dropped off fresh or frozen venison, rabbit, skinless boneless chicken and lamb. He's even got a huge 2" thick steak waiting for him when he's well enough to eat it. He is on a pork free diet as well. People are just so wonderful!  He's lost his appetite but it's getting better each day. Sometimes his ears flip down on top of his head. Looks like he had a horrible crop job. The ear tips nearly touch.  We have to manually stand them back up and massage them so hopefully they will return to their normal state. With tetanus comes hyper sensitivity to sound, light, and tempurature.  We have to keep the lights & sound minimal as it can send him not a seizure. He has custom dark glasses for his inability to tolerate bright lights or blink. His 3rd eyelid covers about half the eye. 

For now his main issues are pain, muscle spasims, eyesight, and eating.  The vet predicts he will be mostly recovered in about 4 weeks. I'll be happy when he's fully recovered.  It's been a difficult couple weeks. They did say what a wonderful patient he was. Always cooperative with all his treatments. Several times they told us they wished every patient behaved so well.  Even with his lock jaw, he managed to kiss them almost every day.

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Oh My God

Kar Jinx, 

 I am so glad you posted and it is hopefully not such a battle from here untill he is well. You must be so proud of him, his good nature and his undeniable will to live.

 what an awful disease

Thank You

Best wishes!

Let us know if there is something we can do to help. Actually I have 2 free dog sweaters I will send if he needs them:) At his weight they will fit fine. Just email your address.

 

Julia and PB

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Bless his heart, and yours, too!

Thanks for the update, and hang in there!  It's quite a slog right now, but it sounds like there's a light at the end of that tunnel.

Hugs from me, and woofs from Gaby - keep up the good work!

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One step backward this morning. It was a little too early to introduce venison even though the vet said he could have it.  He was sick to his stomach.  I added only a little to his morning soup.  He ate very hesitantly, only a tiny bit and was sick right after. The vet said we could call him at home. He said he should not be allowed any food or treat until supper time to give his tummy time to settle. We are right in the middle of a terrible snowstorm here.  I think we'll back up to the chicken soup, rice, shredded chicken breast and maybe a bit of scrambled egg for his late afternoon meal.  We have been adding a bit of kibble, letting it soak & expand in the soup, but I think I'll leave that out tonight.  Not sure if I should add the pumpkin purée or try to get him to eat that by itself maybe an hour before the meal?

Iron Guts Duke the min pin ate the same with no ill effect.

Daymian is currently napping on his bed beside my hubby in his Fido fleece and fully covered head to tail with a fleece blanket.  Just the way he likes it during winter. We're in the middle of a snowstorm here.

Princess Bella.......thanks for your generous offer of sweaters.  He hates the cold so much.  He refuses to go out in the winter unless he has some type of clothing on. 

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Aw, poor baby! 

I'd think the chicken would be a tad easier to digest. Did you ask the vet about probiotics? This is where I'd be giving it to him - maybe in a dab of yogurt if he likes it. You just don't want to kill the probiotics by adding them to anything hot. It would help his digestion, I think. So would digestive enzymes.

Digestive enzymes are for the stomach, probiotics are for the intestines.

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We have follow up visits to the vet.  I haven't asked yet, but did find them @ TSC. He won't go near anything hot. I serve his food just baby warm.  Of course the wait is killing him for it to cool.  I usually put his soup in the freezer for a bit until I can comfortably put my fingers in it, and then some.  I hadn't thought of digestive enzymes.  I have some from a health food store for myself.  I wonder if they would be alright?

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I think they would be ok - I gave them to Libby for a long time.  Sometimes they have alfalfa powder in them, which isn't good if your dog has an allergy to alfalfa. Of course, I'm not a vet, so you'll have to use your best judgement on that.

I do know from personal experience, they can definitely ease nausea.

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Hi Kar Jinx, 

 How is Mr Daymian today?

 We are holding him in our hearts

I can send the sweaters out soon if you reply my email regarding his weight.

I think he will like them because they are not bulky and do not get tangled. See photo. 

This is the brown one Bella was about 60 lbs in photo and 68 lbs when it fit her well.

Julia and Bella

 

 

 

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  so glad to hear your baby is getting better am praying for a full recovery!!!!!

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Princepessa.  I guess I won't be able to use those sweaters.  My doberman is quite a bit larger than yours.  Thank you for your generous offer.  Sorry it took me so long, but it has been crazy here.  I do love that sweater style.  Where did you get it?  I love the sleeves.  Looks like it's warm & covers the chest.

  With the big guy so sick, he was almost put on some sort of life support at one time. He's been up and down.  Back & forth to the vet.  Then our min pin slipped on the deck with the ice & sprained his right front.  My computer has been down & digging out from snow after snow.  Phew.....thoroughly exhausted.  

Seems to be going better. Daymian can see much better now and no longer needs his special protective dark glasses.  He was so light sensitive and his 3rd eyelids would not fully retract so he was also visually impared.  That's pretty well cleared up. His ears still flop over on his head occasionally but no longer several times a day.  He's almost back on kibble and canned instead of chicken broth & rice.  I think he's even starting to gain weight. Thank you every one for your support! I love you all. Now if you could all pray about my vet bill amount......still don't have that bill yet.

 

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SO glad to hear he's improving!  Wow, what a thing to go through.

 

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Just caught up on this epic event.  Wow.  You and Daymian have sure been having a rough time.  Hopefully, things have turned around now and he will start being himself again soon.  Prayers, to say the least, heading your way.

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I'm almost afraid to say this for fear of jinxing his ears.......they have not tipped over in the last 3 days.

I rethought bringing him home from Indianna once we got there becuase I knew his excessive size was a result of bad breeding.  Whomever just went for size rather than health and temperament.  Rescuing is still new to me.  I was so afraid that it was going to effect him healthwise somewhere down the road with bad hips or spine, etc.  We feared the expenses in the future.  The Tetanus Lockjaw was an accident and not a result of his breeding, but I still worry about later years.  We even discussed this sitting in our car down there.  But we instantly fell hopelessly in love.  We loved him because he napped with cats, his cat, barn cats, stray cats.  He ran along side horses.  He liked their exotic birds.  His only enemy was the dreaded squirrel.....  I'm overjoyed that he's now showing great signs of recovery.  

I now wonder if his spleen really needed to be removed?  Or was it the Tetanus all along? Is this why I haven't been billed?  My vet has a sign that animals bills must be paid in full when the service is rendered or on release of the animal.  He's been home now for 2 weeks.  Although the vet has called to inquire about him, there has been no mention of our bill.

 

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Hi Kar- jinx, 

 I am so releived that you wrote and that Daymian continues to improve. I had feared the worst, even though it seemed like he was getting better.

 I am sorry that the sweaters will not be likely to fit him. I did not realize that he is one of the "big ones". I hope he is gaining weight amd warm enough even with all the winter weather. I made those sweaters and I can send you directions, if you like to sew, they are made from recycled people cardigans.

 Let us hope that your vet will comp you some of the work done to save him. I am guessing you never took out dog health insurance, which can be a good price when they are young, and then price monthly does not change. We decided to get Trupanion, because it costs at least 5k to save a dog from rattlesnake bite.

Good LUCK, hang in there, and let us all know if we can help in any way.

Julia, Michael and Bella

 

 

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Wow.. what a horrific experience.. Looks as if there's light at the end of your tunnel.. Prayers for continued health.. and thank you so much for updating us.. You know we're all here hoping for the best

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It's been several weeks into Daymian's treatment and I think I can finally say, that everything has finally cleared up.  We've even put his special dark lensed Doggles away.  They were to be worn for his sensitivity to bright light.  He hated them anyway.  And I was getting tired of retrieving them from the yard, carelessly tossed in a snow bank.  Yahoo!  I think it's all over and he's back to normal.  Eating regular food, ears standing tall with no permanent damage. I was worried that he would develope permanent creases and his ears would flop over for the rest of his life.  I worried his eyes would be damaged from bright light and his 3rd eyelids would never fully retract.

Of course I can't ask him if he feels 100% because he can't tell me.....but I think so!  Thank you all for your thoughts and prayers.  We all learned a bit about tetanus / lockjaw in the canine world.

 

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HOORAY!!!!

I'm SO happy for you and Daymian. Tetanus is so rare in dogs, it's an amazing thing that he was diagnosed, and then treated successfully!

Congratulations!