A little nervous - eating

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I've not yet had an issue with Gauge eating since we've switched to the Iams.  When he was on Nutro, he wouldn't eat breakfast and then would inhale his dinner. Even then, there wasn't an issue like this.

Last night, again this morning and then again tonight, he'll go to his bowl, literally INHALE half of his food and then walk to a corner of the carpet, throw it up (it's all still in whole chunks) and then proceed to eat that (gross) before returning to his bowl to finish what's left in there without issue. 

He's never done that before yesterday.  He's acting normal. He's pooping 2-3 times a day and drinking his water regularly, exercising, etc.

The only thing that worries me is that he had a bully stick for the first time yesterday, and it was about 1 1/2" wide and 6" long.  He was chewing on it for 15 minutes and it wasn't going anywhere and then I turned around and it's gone.  He didn't choke or anything, but I can't find the stick anywhere.  Is it possible he swallowed it?  I mean, really, after 15 minutes, there wasn't more than 1/2" gone.  I'm not sure that he swallowed it, he is a hoss and will destroy a rawhide within an hour, so it's possible he ate it.  It's the only thing I can think of that was different. 

Again, he's not acting funny other than the eat 1/2, chuck it up and eat it again (yuck) and then finish.  He doesn't get a lot of treats during the day. We may fill his kong with 2 teaspoons of peanut butter so he's occupied while we eat and then later on put a few squeezes of the kong cheddar squeeze in his kong bone, but he's not being fed all day, we stopped giving him rawhide and have switched to nyla bones, which he can chew forever and not destroy.

I'm just nervous since he started doing this yesterday. 

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Coming from the resident swallowing expert since Cisco has swallowed just about everything in the house. I would say yes he did swallow out- Don't panic! I am saying this because of the vomitting- this is what Cisco will do when he has swallowed something he shouldnt' have. Cisco will throw up until it comes out. Being that it was a bully stick it will likely disolve in his stomach if he doesnt hack it back up. Just watch his stool and his eating. If he stops eating or pooping- get to the vet! But since it was something that will disolve you will just likely have a throwing up, diarheaing (its a word) pup for a day or two.

Trust me Cisco has swallowed: 2 stuffingless toys- the top of a baby kong, bra wires, soap, a diamond ring, chunks of bones, bully, rawhides.... I could continue! I had ER vet on speed dial!

These guys seem to do that- chew on something barely make a dent and than bam it's gone!

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OMG. I thought Gauge was bad!! LOL  I swear I'll look at his poop and think when in the hell did you eat THAT?!  We don't leave things on the floor, but there's always some surprise in 3 out of 4 poos.

I still have 2 of the sticks left, and I'm not going to give them to him.  Even if I buy the bigger ones, who's to say he's not going to swallow that?  Oy.  I was watching him too!! I literally walked across the deck, took a sip of my drink and turned around and it was gone. 

Dober dude, dober dude.  You're gonna be the death of me!

At least it'll dissolve.  I'll keep watching his poop (ha! like i could ignore it if i tried!!) and if he starts acting out, then I'll call. 

Thanks!

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You are welcome tans! I just looked up from the computer and he has a dish rag! We are in the game room. Where the hell did he get that!? He is like houdini!!!!! I am definately here for ya trust me I have seen it all with this boy!

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Oh Gauge.. spit it out!!

So sorry you're having this go on and on and ON!! You and Mandy should compare notes..

I do believe Cisco has devoured an entire Spring Line of Victoria's Secret Lingerie.. and there is another 'swallower' here on the Forum who took an entire turkey leg down the hatch..

I have a friend in Costa Rica who's beautiful Reba swallowed an entire plastic shopping bag.. three days later, she horked it all back up.. THREE DAYS LATER.

Hang in and try to Doberproof the house.. they ARE fast.

Swallowing things. Ayeeeee, out of all the things that have gone down (and back up, mostly) the throats of my dogs, a bullystick would be the least concerning. It should digest.

Chuckin' up his food? Slow him down. Give him small amounts at a time til he's eaten his mealtime quota.

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@tans- so he use to not eat breakfast? laith does that now. what was the solution you found? 

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Like Gunny said.. slow him down.  Don't offer him as much food in the bowl at one time.  He doesn't know how to pace himself, is inhaling, and puking it up as he ate too fast.  He's still hungry so why not eat the vomit right in front of him?  Gross, but true.  Putting his kibble in a cookie sheet is one trick.  I'd also recommend you soak his food so that in the event he does gobble it up it doesn't swell in his stomach and cause an upset.

On the bully stick.. highly digestable.  I'd stop giving him rawhides - those are not.  We get lucky when the gnaw off small bits that make it out the other end.. but when they get chunks it can become an issue.  Switch to the pig skin varieties of chews they have now (I ADORE these and am so glad someone thought of it!) pig skin is digestable so it doesn't matter if they swallow chunks and they come in the same rolls, twists, and shapes as rawhides.  "Dingos" are one brand name.. I think I get "Pork Chomps" now too at Petsmart.  Not that badly priced.

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Ziva was a food inhaler for awhile, and I started giving her smaller portions....barely enough to cover the bottom of her bowl....then would add a little more of her measured out amount , a little at a time, until she ate it all.  That meant I would be standing there beside her dogfood bowl the entire time until she ate it all, but she did learn to slow down and not vacuum in down.  She was never a toy swallower, though---she loves to rip them apart and spit out a pile of toy pieces beside her.

I did have a dobie, Darmok, that found an old cassette tape lying on the coffee table and ate it once and I never even knew it until hours later when I was walking her and she stopped walking and began what I thought was the 'dry heaves'......turns out about a quarter-mile of mylar music on tape came flying out of her mouth along with little plastic wheels and gears.  OH MY.  THe things our kids try to do!!!

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A dog eating, puking, and eating it again skeeves me out lol.  Dakota used to do that when she was younger, and we had her on Iams which is what she came to us on.  She would start eating it mid-air, before it even hit the ground...  I have a pretty strong stomach, but something about that totally skeeved me lol.  We then went to Nutro, and had the same issue again.  She wouldn't eat it, and would get so hungry then wolf it down.  From there, we went to wellness, and have had zero problems with anything.  She got some runny poops on the Iams too.  I had never really done any serious research on dog foods until about 2 years ago, and one of the things I found is some of the lesser quality foods that don't have alot of nutritional value add flavor to their food so the dogs want to eat it.  It's more like a treat than food.

If your dog is eating too fast, you can put something in the bowl, and they make specially designed bowls with a hump in them so that the dog has to work around the hump and has to eat slower.  If he's wolfing it down, that would be a good reason for vomiting afterwards.

My girl is just like Ziva, she loves to chew, but doesn't eat things.  Until I was totally confident about that, anytime I would give her something new, I would watch her for a bit just to make sure all was good.

Must have been interesting seeing that tape come out, and good thing it came out after a dry heave instead of coming out the other end!!

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Kevin, when all that tape started appearing, and just kept coming out more and more, I got SO scared about the "what ifs"...that could have gotten so entangled in her intestines if she hadn't expelled it.  Scared the spit out of me.  I watched her so closely after that.

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Jess.. the cookie sheet idea is a good one.. Never had the problem with Sofia eating too fast.. she's well paced and LOVES it if we stand near her.. ( like many of us, she prefers company with her meals)

Paul.. sorry I laughed ( yes, it was definitely coffee cup time!!) so picturesque... I can imagine the thoughts that went through your mind as you were watching all 1/4 mile of tape come streaming out... ( EEEUWW)

Kevin, what's a skeeve?

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It just means grossed out.  To see a dog puke, and then eat it, or take a poop, turn around and munch it up, I find that to be pretty gross lol.

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I just had a whole post and my interwebs ate it.  Grrrrr.

Summary:

Kevin, you and I both.  I was yelling from across the room "STOP! What are you doing!?"  By the time I got there, it was gone. 

Laith:  we switched his food to Iams (which will be switched again when this bag is gone due to the fact it's like puppy fast food) from Nutro and he's been eating fine.

I figured it was because he swallowed the bully stick, but I didn't want to believe that he'd do that.  LOL  Thanks for the reassurance on the digestion of the stick, I'm pretty sure that's what's causing the vomiting as she didn't do it before that.  I actually watched her this morning and she was eating normally and not gagging or vomiting, so maybe the stick is digesting??

He was tearing through rawhides at the rate of 2-3 per week when we first got him, and after reading how they're not digestible, I switched him off of them. He's a big time chewer though, so anything I can give him to distract him from the legs of a chair, the random underwear waiting to be folded from the laundry, socks, etc, I want him to have.  The nylabones are working great, and he has a few hard plastic rings that seem indestructible as well as his "treat toys":  a kong cone we fill with peanut butter and a kong bone we squeeze treats into.   He never used to eat things like I listed, but recently parts of his blankets and other things are starting to disappear.  We have the house pretty proofed, but still, we live there and there are things around.  He won't pay attention to them forever and then one day he'll decide "hmmm, that basket that holds my toys looks tasty!" and go to town.  I've been spraying everything I can with green apple spray. 

I still have 2 of the bully sticks left but I think I'm going to give them to my cousin who has a lab who just chews nicely and doesn't inhale.  LOL

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Ok, dober dude news to CHEW. ALL FOOD. Not just what's in his bowl.  (feel free to just skip right to the bottom of this if you're easily grossed out).

Training last night - which was a nighmare but that's for another thread - and he is still getting treats.  Robin was giving them some assistance and treats as well, but he is getting less than he did in the beginning.  We get home and I feed him per usual, giving him his food in 1/2 cup increments vs. the full 1 1/2 cups he gets.  First 1/2 cup is fine, second 1/2 cup is downed in record time. Then he walks to the edge of the carpet for what's been the past 3 nights' routine.  Barf. Eat. Back to bowl. 

Only I notice in this round, that everything he's consumed during training is there as well.  STILL WHOLE. 

Facepalm.  The dude swallows and doesn't chew! 

Tonight I'm going to try the baking sheet method and still only give him 1/2 cup at a time and see if that helps any. 

But dude. CHEW AND SWALLOW!

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You might be wishful thinking there----ALL my dogs swallow and don't chew unless they are eating something too big to swallow all at once, then they chew off a piece that will barely fit down the throat hole and away it goes!

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Well, last night I switched his food to a large platter vs. being in the bowl. It was amazing how he slowed down because he couldn't just take giant mouthfuls of food!  No intermission either, he ate, was fine and went about his business. 

Not sure if the bully stick had fully dissolved or if it was just his slowing down that helped, but either way it was nice to not witness his food coming back. 

Thanks for the advice!

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each step forward ( even if it's a baby step) is progress...

Chew and chew and chew Dear Gauge.

Hey Tonya, have you tried those big knuckle beef bones the butcher will save for you? I've heard they work really well for chewers and helps keep teeth clean as well..

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I get those bones! I actually get whole femurs for the kids! They have them at TSC too! Cisco and Raven have been gnawing away for close to 3 weeks on the same ones- I always buy the 2 biggest they have!

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I haven't tried those yet.  We don't have a regular butcher per se, but if I can find them at TSC, then I may have to pick them up!