I will be losing Red

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I have been putting off posting this, not wanting to post something that will take a while when there were some immediate items to be considered.

A little background. A little over two years ago, Red had a malignant tumor removed from the center top of his tail. For a while it did not look like it was healing properly and I started considering getting a second Dobie, as the older one can always help in training the younger. Hence, when I came across Princess I was elated. It turned out though that it was healing just fine, and the cancer was not coming back, and Red was left with only a small scar on the top of his tail.

In early November, I noticed that he was having some issues walking, with his legs splayed out more than normal and his gait really off. He was scheduled for his annual at the end of the month, so I watched and waited. On Dec 1, he got his annual checkup, and I asked the receptionist to have the vet look at his rear legs and hip. When I went to pick him up and met with the vet, he had noticed it and had actually walked him around out back in the exercise area himself and then with a tech walking him to evalute him.

Without going into extensive evaluation and x-raying, he could not tell if it was a) Wobblers, b) arthritis (almost 8 years old) or c) hip dysplasia. Red came home with a 14 day supply of Rymadil and had a Rymadil injection at the vets. It seemed to help a great deal. His weight at that time was 116 pounds.

Toward the end of December, he developed a small cough that did not go away. So, unwilling to wait until after the New Year weekend was over, I called and got him an appointment that morning. This time I was with the primary vet, who has treated my dogs since 1989, and has known Red since he was 12 weeks old. He quickly pointed out that Red had some congestions in his lungs and we also discussed his legs. He then suggested a chest x-ray to see about the congestion, and I readily agreed.

When he came back in the examining room he has a long face. His comment was that he found something he wished he hadn't, and put the x-ray on the viewer. Even my untrained eye could pick out a problem. Two large masses, one in each lung. Dr. Janey also pointed out the feathering effect of the fluid build up in the lungs that was causing the cough. He gave me a supply of a diuretic to reduce the fluid buildup and a supply of Prednizone to help control the cancer. Needless to say, I was extremely worried. I was not sure if I would have my buddy more than another 30 days or not. His weight at this visit was 112 pounds.

I carefully monitored his reaction and the medications he was taking seemed to be helping. I jokingly said he was taking more pills than I am. At first it was two Prednisone and four diuretic plus his two regulay thyroid pills. (I only take two pills a day and count myself as fortunate). Two weeks later, I took him back so that Dr. Janey could see how he was doing. He cut the Prednizone down to one tablet a day, and the diuretic to 1 1/2 tablets twice a day.

I took him back in on the first of February to have him followed up and another x-ray taken. His weight was concerning as it was down to 101. (I have since upped his kibble ration by one cup a day). Dr. Janey came back in after looking at the x-ray and then took me back into a small anteroom where he has two viewers side by side to show me the difference. The fluid buildup was gone, but the surprising thing was that the tumors were actually smaller. Guarded news, as we know that while the tumors have been slowed and even knocked back a bit, we have not changed the diagnosis.

Red continues to get along fairly well, he has no coughing spells, his weight seems good and has probably added a few since the first (at 101 he looked skinny). He is still having problems when he tries to come running into/the house through the utility room and make a turn at the end to go into the kitchen on the linoleum floor. He has fallen a few times when his paws go out from under him. I now try to slow him down, but when he knows there is kibble waiting for him, he wants to get there first, even though his is separate from Princess'. He also is a little incontinent which means I have to wash his pad covers every other day. All of which has convinced me that the cancer has metastisized to his brain and that is was is causing his wobbliness.

We are taking it one day at a time, thankful for each day I still have him. I think Princess knows, as since this started in November, she has become a real cuddle bunny. Of late she wants in my lap anytime I am in my recliner in the living room. She will sit in my lap, lean into me and put her head on my shoulder. All 72 pounds of her. After a bit, she will lay down and tuck her nose under my right arm.

I will keep the group posted on any changes, and when I have Red back at the vet's in two weeks.

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Oh oh oh, tears and prayers from me for Red, and you.  I commend you for being optimistic, and power to the prednisone Gods for keeping him comfortable.  The pred may have something to do with the incontinence, but the payoff is greater.  Keep him as comfortable as you can, and love on him everyday. So sorry to hear this devestating news.  The vet seems to be keeping it at bay, we will all pray

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prayers are with you and your family....

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Prayers for you and your family during this hard time you're facing. The absoulute worst part about owning a doberman is when we lose them.  I feel your pain.

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JJ and I will say a prayer for Red.

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So sorry to read this... he has a wonderful loving home.  We forget when we read on here, it seems so common to all of us to love our dogs and take such excellent loving care of them, but it is not as common as we'd like to believe.  Red is so very lucky to have a patient human father who showers him with care and concern and is making this difficult transition with him so that he has more time to spend with you and Princess.

I've got him in my little animal prayers now.

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I am so sorry to hear this, it is never easy when we know the time is coming.  Try to enjoy the time you have left for as long as you can.

One of the most selfless acts a person can do is share their life with an animal knowing they will have to say goodbye way too soon.

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I am glad you have told the Forum about the struggle you've had with Red since November. Your bravery of handling this almost single handedly is a tribute to your courage, class and concern for your privacy.

Thank you for sharing your heartache with us. As you've said a couple of months ago, you will maintain until the time comes and then deal with the seemingly impossible decision.

We are your Doberman family and we all love you, Princess and Red very much.. We are here for you no matter what and know that our prayers are with you.

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I think I can speak for everyone on the forum when I say... We're here for you, you and your family are in our prayers, and we'll all still be here when it comes time for Red to go on to the other side of the rainbow bridge, waiting for his loving family. Live, Love, Never forget.

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Oh no, oh no, oh no!!!  Please know you are in our hearts & our prayers!

If there is anything we can do for you, Red and Princess please let us know.

Special scritches for Red & Princess & big hugs to you!!

Marti, Don, Brinks & MiLady

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I'm sorry to hear the news about Red.  Have you considered any cancer diets or supplements to help prolong the inevitable?  I've got some links here that helped me when I was caring for Wonder (lymphoma) and Wish (osteosarcoma).  I like to think that the diets and supplements helped.  Just switching to a high protein, high fat, low carb food helps to rob the cancer of what it needs to fluorish (cancer like carbs).  I switched to Innova Evo when Wish and Wonder were diagnosed.  There are a couple of other foods that fit the bill in mimicking a cancer diet but I was able to get that one easily.

I would also suspect that the prednisone is causing the incontinence.  It sounds like he may have developed degenerative myleopathy on top of the cancer, which would cause the loss of control of the rear.  I guess the good news about degenerative myleopathy is that they say it's not painful.  I think it's more painful for us to see them with it. 

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wow, I'm so sorry to hear this.  I think that's the one cruel joke this Universe has is that 'Man's Best Friend' only lives a short time....

 

I wish I had something comforting to add.  Give him extra hugs and kisses and know that he had a better life than most get these days.  I hope is has a while yet with you...

 

Thoughts & prayers to you both!

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I'm so sorry to hear about Red...It must be so hard to watch him go through this.  Just remember that he has had the best life a dog could ask for, and he is so happy to be with you.  Even when he is gone you will always be able to cherish the memories you have of him.  I'm glad you shared his story with us!  You shouldn't have to go through such a sad time alone, and we're all here for you!

Thoughts and prayers,

Janelle

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Sorry to hear that rn...my prayers go out !!

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Through pictures and stories shared here,I can truly say that sometimes it seems like I have so many more dogs than just the three in my house.I read the ups and downs here, and I laugh and cry like they are all my dogs.With this, I can truly say that your big Red will be in my thoughts throughout each day.I hope you are able to spend as much quality time as possible with him.It is truly a test for us humans to open our hearts and homes to such perfect creatures for the short time that they are here,and I wouldn't trade one minute of it to save the heartbreak when the end comes.

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Thanks to all of you for your concern, words and prayers. As I have said, Red is my 12th Doberman, and of the previous 11, two disappeared (part of living out in the country) and most passed away after only a short illness, or very suddenly like Trudy did after having a stroke.

Red is doing fairly well, and at times it is almost as if it weren't real, but I know it is. I will keep everyone updated on his situation.

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Ella, Angel, and I will keep you and Red in our prayers too. It's such a hard thing to go through...

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As I have said, Red is my 12th Doberman, and of the previous 11, two disappeared (part of living out in the country)

 

I'm sorry, I can't get this out of my head.  Living in the country is no excuse for losing 2 dogs!  I would hate for anyone to read this and think it's normal and/or acceptable.  We are supposed to be responsible for them wherever we live.  I've lived in the country for the past 20 years, and I sure don't think that losing a dog is just part of living here. 

I'm so sorry about Red. I know how much you love your dogs and to know you are going to loose one is heart wrenching. I've enjoyed your many stories about the big red boy and feel like I know him in some small way after reading them.

I know that I've privately emailed you the Budwig diet and I will do so again it is worth trying. My Elly who we put to sleep last summer had an awful cancerous tumor the previous year removed my vet didn't think she would live but a few months. The tumor had spread so far into her that even after cutting off I believe it was 40% of her leg muscle the margins were still not clean. We had the sample sent in for testing and it came back very negative outlook for her life. I started the Budwig diet with her and I think it cured the cancer. she lived another year and was put to sleep from DCM.

The Budwig diet is one that was designed for human patients and has had very good success with all kinds of cancer patients, even terminally ill patients not expected to make it. It makes me want to do the same thing for myself just for preventative measures. Here is a link again about the diet for all that may be going through something similar. http://www.cancure.org/budwig_diet.htm this is the human side of it to give background but you can easily google it for pets and come up with miraculous recoveries just the same.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and the big red one. It is never easy to loose a beloved animal.

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Glengate do ever have anything nice to say to ANYBODY?

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Thank you for saying that Dabbles - I have come back and written something about that comment a few times but didnt want to start a thing on this thread-

There is a time and a place and this was definately not it! This is about rgreens grief and struggle w his boys illness...

shame on you glengate.... and kudos dabbles!

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Dabbles.. you and I have discussed this very issue.. and not to take away from Rick's post about his beloved Red.. but Glengate.. come on.. We value your experience and dedication to the breed, but this is not the time for lectures or finger shaking.

PM if you must.

We  are here for you Rick. For you and Princess and for the Big Red Clifford dog!!

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Richard & Red & Princess

Ive been hoping not to see this for many months to come. I'm terribly sorry and wish so much for a little magic, a little miracle. But sometimes there is something good hidden there under all the sadness of sorrow. For you and Princess who know and love that big Red dog to know that it is coming and have the chance to give him special kindnesses and love before you say goodbye. And that Princess is feeling what is happening with Red and with you and is holding so to your lap. I hope you all can share every second as they become so clearly what is important.
My love and grief for you all
Barbara

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Barbara that was beautiful...

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I do not take offense at Glengate's comment. Both times dogs got out and I was never able to find them again. If a dog gets out in the city or urban setting, people will, in many cases, call someone to pick them up, or hold them and post notices. Many times I go into the vet's and see notices on the bulleting board of pets found with a description and phone number. I myself, when a couple of strays found their way onto my property, called the animal warden to retrieve them. They were cute fellas and very friendly, so they had a chance.

With regular streets and a build up of houses, most of which have fenced back yards, one can ride around the neighborhood looking for a loose dog. Since they are somewhat restricted to the front yards and streets, there is a better chance to find the escapee.

But, in the country, with large areas of wooded areas and farmers fields that are fenced, it is not so easy. The next road over around here in many cases is over a 1/2 mile away with woods inaccessible because of fencing, so one is limited to driving around and calling. Picture a equilateral triangle bounded by county roads, each side of which is 1 mile in length and a fourth road bisecting the triangle from top to bottom. I live on that road, 1/4 mile from the bottom. If I drive to that road and turn right, it is over 1 mile to the next road to the right. If I turn left, it is over 1 mile to the next road to the left. Both of those roads angle back and intersect my road a little over a mile to the east. If when I get to that main road and instead of turning, it goes down to the river before it turns, and that is two miles down. Oh, and did I mention the speed limit on these roads, including the one in front of my house is 55 MPH? Just one more risk to a loose dog.

The first time it happened was in 1989 in Virginia. I had a fawn female who went over a wire fence with my black female and went into the woods on a chase. Possibly a deer passing by, I don't know. They were both gone overnight. The next morning my black female came home and I never saw Heidi (fawn female) again. In that area there are many risks, and it is a rugged area of hills and valleys. Mostly timbered with a few small open fields. In this area, the next road behind me, was two miles away, so driving around to find them was out of the question.

The second on was in 1994 and it was here. I had let the Dobies out to do their thing, and had at the time 5. Hans, Trudy and three six month olds. The three were a black male, black female and red female. At this time I had about an acre in fence behind the house (including the house) with the beginning edge of the woods inside the fenced area. (I have a little over 4 acres in total, over half in woods). They had been digging a hole under the back fence and I had not yet found it. I let them out and about a half hour later went to let them in, only to find no dogs. That is when I found the hole under the fence. Of course with over 1000 feet of fence,some in woods, and 5 excavating Dobies, I should have patroled it more often but did not. I spent several hours trying to find them to no avail. I figured they would come home over night, but when I got up the next morning, they were still gone. Then I heard a noise outside and it was Hans, disheveled and tired. A few minutes later around the corner of the wooded area, came Trudy, Willy and Gretyl. I called into work and told them I would be late. I waited for Brandy, my young red female to come back, but she never did. I got the others cleaned up, and went looking, but the roads and wooded areas around here make that very difficult.

That episode was the impetus for me to build what I thought would be an escape proof dog pen, 70' x 100' with 6' chainlink fence mounted down the center of 4' wire fence laid flat and 2" deep in the ground, so that where the chainlink fence was the vertical of an upside down T and it was tied about every two feed to the other buried fence. I never had a dog get out, they came close once, digging a tunnel under the bottom wire, but I found it before they got out (they had tunneled under about 3/4 of it).

We all make mistakes at times, and hopefully they don't result in the loss of a dog, but sometimes it does and then those mistakes eat at you - for a very long time. The cure of course, is to not repeat the mistakes.

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That is very big of you not to take offense- I personally would have. Needless to say it does happen and at least you made changes so it wouldnt happen again.

My thoughts and prayers are with you rgreen -

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There isnt anything that I have experienced in my 60 years that compares to watching an animal you love running free.  About the closest (for me) to that exhiliration of freedom and oneness with the universe (that the dog is feeling) is in the saddle, horse at free reign, running his own speed. Some of you may have experienced that sense of unison on a Harley or Porsche or ...

 Humans, for their own sense of need of having and perserving companionship, choose to keep their dogs "safe".  Anyone of us, no matter how closely we watch our animals, will loose them in some way. To have access to the country and to be able to provide your dogs the opportunity to experience nature the way they were intended in the wild, without a human tied to the end of their leash, is a special situation that all dogs and their owners do not experience. That situation is the absolute best to me.  Freedom of land -exercise in a natural setting/natural way - and safety of a caring owner is the best possible combination. My opinion. The probabilities of a safe environment staying safe with a dobe (and I'm learning, males especially) aren't 100%. 

I don't think we have any folks here on the Gentle Site who would deliberately neglect their dogs, doberman or other breed.  We are however going to make lots of mistakes.  Anyone that could follow me around on any given day and record all of my mistakes would need several pens so as not to run out of ink.

This Gentle place we share has been very supportive and perhaps kept Leo out of Doggie Solitare more than once.  It's the laughter and tears and stories that keep me coming back! Time is teaching me to seek out the imperfect.  I prefer it.

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Oh, Richard! I'll send out my prayers for you and Red that you will have an even happier time before Red is called to the Rainbow Bridge.. Keep loving and loving for he'll never forget your love!

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Nor will I ever forget his love and companionship.

He is truly a unique dog. I have friends who have met him and ask how he is doing. When I take him into the vet's for what ever reason, the receptionist always speaks to him, the handlers come out and greet him by name, and when he goes back with them it is always with a slack lead, they never have to pull or prod him, just a "Let's go Red" and he follows them. That says a lot, not only about Red, but about the staff at the vet's.

I remember the time when he was about a year old and I took him in for boarding, and had his Kong with him. I placed his Kong on the counter sill, now this is probably 48" off the floor, and he raised up and placed his forepaws on the counter to check out what was on the other side. Jana just reached over as if this was an everyday occurance and scratched him behind the ears.

Red is on 100% Taste of the Wild - High Prairie Canine Formula. Looking at the bag - 32% Crude Protein, 18% Crude Fat 3% Crude Fiber, Zinc, Selenium, Vitamin E, Omega 6 and Omega 3 Fatty Acids.

Details: Bison, Lamb meal, chicken meal, egg product, sweet potatoes, peas, potatoes, canola oil, roasted Bison, roasted Venison, tomato pomace, ocean fish meal, cholorine chloride, dried chicory root, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, Vitamin B1, B2, B6, B12 and D.

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Rick you really are one of the people here who posts and I have to read everything you write.  You are a wealth of information in every story you share, in every bit of advice you give.  Thank you for having the grace to not get offended where others (myself included) would've lost my patience.

I'm still thinking of Red.  I agree with how Patriot put it.  I come on here and I read about everyone's dogs and I easily get attached to them just like I often got attached to my clients and patients over the years.  They easily become a part of your mental family.

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Barbara - I have told Rick before (and I truly mean it!) and now I will tell you...  You are much better people than I!!  You think about what you are saying & both of you get your points across with gentle humor & a story or 2.  Even tho' I've been trying for a long time, at 54 I am sometimes still the hot-headed, red-haired (used to be anyway)...  Well, you get the idea.  My mother used to tell me that I got the worst of my German/Irish heritage; I not only get mad - I hold a grudge for a long time!

Thank you for your post.  I, for one, truly appreciate it!  (and yeah - a good ride on a good horse can do wonders for your soul!)

Rick, there was no need for you to post an explanation.  I'm pretty sure that most of the people on this site can tell how much you love your dogs & that you would never do anything to purposefully harm them.  All anyone would have to do is read thru some of your posts to see how you have patiently reached out to all of us, at one time or another, to help us get through our trials & tribulations of puppydom, doberteens, heartbreak & laughter.

Altho' I am going to take your example of the T-fence in consideration when I can get my back yard fenced.  Brinks doesn't dig much, but MiLady sure does!!

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Dabbles, Thank you for allowing me to think my stories might have a little meaning to someone.  As to the gentle part, this may be the only place in my life right night that brings me any of that emotion. and it feels real and right to share our experiences in an effort to do good/to be of assistance to another or sometimes just the sounding board.   

And, Richard, it feels really good to have a strong person like yourself guiding us through our Dobie Trials.  Anyone of us here at Gentle Doberman, who has not posted this thread, who follows your advice and dedication to the breed, has simply not seen this news about Red just yet.  There will be more to come.

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Richard, God bless you.  I hope Red will be comfortable and okay for a long time.  As I sit here with Ginger laying next to me with her head touching the keyboard, I am heartbroken for how hard it must be for you.  I hope you have many good days with Red and enjoy every one.  You are a wonderful doberdaddy, the best there is.

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I know what patriot means... you are all my family. There are times I've bragged to people about your dogs accomplishments!!! lolz. I was born in Eire (Ireland) and have that "fiery" temper... I would have taken major offense and gone off the deep end.

Rgreen, You, Red, and Princess have captured my heart and soul with your beautiful stories and ability to draw pictures in other peoples heads. Just remember that the soul always remember love... and he will always remember your's. 

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All of you are so kind. I will take Red in on Tuesday for another X-Ray and check up.

He has actually had several good days this past week. Last night was a good night, he didn't get me up and slept through most of the night. Of course he roams at night on occassion. He found a bubble wrap envelope last night and about half of it was left this morning on the floor.

I may have found a way to help his incontinentcy - they go out right before bed, and Princess has a 20 oz cup of water in her crate. I flush the main water bowl that Red has access and only put about 30 oz of water in it. It is always dry in the morning and so are his sleeping pads. Then of course after he goes out, the bowl is filled.

During the day I force him to go out about every two hours, which he doesn't really care for, but he goes. Sometimes I have to go out with them. If Red doesn't go out neither does Princess, and if I don't go out, neither will Red most of the time. Dogs. Sometimes you can't live with them, and all of the time you can't live without them. IMHO.

We just came back in from the third outside trip this morning and my two red shadows are stretched out on the carpe here in my "office" sound asleep. Pure Heaven knowing that they are there.

Hoping everyone and their four footed friends have a great day today.

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Sounds like almost the same program you had when Red was a wee pup. ( remember those times?? Every two hours whether he wanted to or not)

Enjoy your two today. It sounds like a love fest there in GA!!

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Richard I thought you may take some comfort in this - I just recieved this email and it made me think of you and the Big Red One...

 

careful, I cried like a baby.  But the pictures are cute and the statement at the end is so true.

 

 


 

 

 

 

Be sure to scroll all the way down & read the story and thoughts at the end.  The purpose of a dog! 
































A  Dog's Purpose?  from  a 6-year-old).

Being a veterinarian, I had been called to examine a ten-year-old Irish Wolfhound named Belker. The dog's owners, Ron, his wife Lisa, and their little boy Shane, were all very attached to Belker, and they were hoping for a miracle.

I examined Belker and found he was dying of cancer.   I told the  family we couldn't do anything for Belker, and offered to perform the euthanasia procedure for the old dog in their home.

As we made arrangements, Ron and Lisa told me they thought it would be good for six-year-old Shane to observe the procedure. They felt as though Shane

might learn something from the experience.

The next day, I felt the familiar catch in my throat as Belker's family surrounded him.  Shane seemed so calm, petting  the old dog for the last time, that I wondered if he understood what was going on.  Within a few minutes, Belker slipped peacefully away.

The little boy seemed to accept Belker's transition without any difficulty or confusion.  We sat together for a while after Belker's Death, wondering aloud about the sad fact that animal lives are shorter than human lives.  


Shane, who had been listening quietly, piped up, ''I know why.''

Startled, we all turned to him. What came out of his mouth next stunned me.  I'd never heard a more comforting explanation.  It has changed the way I try and live.

He said, ''People are born so that they can learn how to live a good life - like loving everybody all the time and being nice, right?'' 

The six-year-old continued, ''Well, dogs already know how to do that, so they don't have to stay as long.''

Live simply.

Love generously.

Care deeply.

Speak kindly.

Remember, if a dog was the teacher you would learn things like:

When loved ones come home, always run to greet them.

Never pass up the opportunity to go for a joyride.

Allow the experience of fresh air and the wind in your face to be pure ecstasy.

Take naps.

Stretch before rising.

Run, romp, and play daily.

Thrive on attention and let people touch you.

Avoid biting when a simple growl will do.

On warm days, stop to lie on your back on the grass.

On hot days, drink lots of water and lie under a shady tree.

When you're happy, dance around and wag your entire body.

Delight in the simple joy of a long walk.

Be loyal.

Never pretend to be something you're not.

If what you want lies buried, dig until you find it.

When someone is having a bad day, be silent, sit close by, and nuzzle them gently.

ENJOY EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY DAY!

 
 
 
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Thank you for this Mandy.. the images didn't come through on my computer.. but the story did and it's so lovely

words to live by, that's for sure

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Oh man, Thats too bad.  I feel like I know Red.  He and you were great contributers Snoopy's puppyhood.  I hope that somehow things just work themselves out for you guys.  I dont even know what to say.  I know that I have not been on the forum in awhile and when you PM'd me, it reminded me about my Dober Family.  I will be busy catching up.  I hope tomorrow's appt goes as well as it possibly can.

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Snoopy Dobe. so good to see you!

Thanks for stopping in, your doberfamily misses and loves you!

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Thank you for sentiment, Cisco9510, but the images didn't come through for me either. (Neither Firefox or IE)

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your welcome- they were just some silly pix of different breeds- I just liked the story...

XO Mandy

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I'm just catching up on this thread...hope things go well today for Red...

My heart is just hurting for you - we lost our big boy last spring to cancer.  I thought I'd never get another dog, it hurt so bad.  But here I am with a 4 month old dobe!  I'm saying a prayer for you today.

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Cisco9510, I have found at times that when copy and pasting something with photos, that the photos need to be downloaded and then re-inserted manually many times.

Update - Just returned from the vet's. Princess went along to get her annual, and both got bathed and nail trims. Princess has gained 7 pounds since last June, and is now up to 80 pounds! I thought she was spreading out a bit in the middle.

Red's tumors are mixed. The larger one is now larger, but not quite as large as it was at the end of December, and the smaller one is unchanged from last month when both were smaller than in Dec.

Medications are unchanged. His weight is back up a bit from 101 last time to 106 which is where we wanted to get. Sounds strange to say that a Doberman looks skinny at 101, but he does. Discussed the time frame and of course there are a lot of variables, but Dr. Janey said initially he felt 2-3 months, and it has now been 2 months, and we have not really lost much ground, and maybe gained a bit. He said conservatively he has 2 to 3 months and quite possibly more.

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One of my very special and favorite patients at my first vet hospital survived cancer for a year without chemo, just supportive care.

You just never know.

I know what you mean about seeing the weight loss on him.  Sometimes when my patients were the most "down" about their illness, I'd make a really yummy mix of high calorie wet food (A/D from Science Diet), baby food, moistened kibble.  It really perked them up and they ate it with gusto on those off days.  Maybe you could try something like this if you want?

Give each a squeeze from us over here in CA.  Still keeping you three in my "doggy prayers".

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Oh Rick.. that is such good news.. thank you for sharing it with us... As long as he's comfortable, and he certainly seems to be, that's what we're hoping for. It probably hurts your heart to see ribs on the big guy.

I love the pictures of your two red kids.. Little Princess looking up at the Big Red Clifford dog saying... Hey there big guy..I'm your new little sister..." and Red saying.. "BE GONE!! I wanted to be an only child!!"

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Richard I think about you and your Dobies quite often. Leo's down at the end of the bed with his head propped up on my crossed ankles. When he found his big boy place to sleep,I'd move my feet very carefully and slowly so as not to disturb his sleep. Seems like it never really bothers him though. He'll just readjust and sleep on...
It was good to know that Red's X-rays are still favorable. Sure hope he gets every bit of the predicted time and of course more. I admire your strength thru this. Your continued support and shared knowledge keeps us all on a good path.
Big hugs to Princess and Red. And throw in a few of the full body pets that starts between the ears and runs the full length!

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Wow.. rgreen4, that is a tough one!  That big lug Red seems like such a cool Doberkid.  My eyes started to water up when I read your initial post.  No matter how long our Dobies live it is NEVER long enough.  Hopefully Red will hang around a while longer.  God bless! 

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Awwww man

So sorry to hear this, over the last two years my own dog Q has grown up on stories of Red. Red is the ideal role model for all the dobie kids. Take a bow Red and my warmest hugs to you Mr Green.

 Kei te aroha au i a koe Kia piki te ora  love Ria, Q & Sophie

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Gosh how sad that brought tears to my eyes reading that. It breaks your heart to think that they may go. I lost Rusty last year to heart attack at 4 years old. It really shocked me and broke all our hearts as he was such a healthy strong dog . My fingers and toes are crossed for Red.

I have also heard fantastic things about the Budwig diet mainly the cottage cheese and flaxseed oil. Its worth looking into . I have a client who had prostrate cancer and was put onto this by a friend and he believes its cured him- this particular client is very intelligent  as well. If you google her lots and lots come up. She was a German scientist who was at one time employed by the German government because of her research on fats and oils. I know there are alot of alternate methods for cancer but after what I read I was sold. Worth a try or even just a quick read .

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I have been asked for an update, so I will try to bring everyone up to date. Red won't go in for another X-Ray and update for another 10 days or so, but he is still holding his own. After his last visit, he had lost more weight than I was comfortable with so I upped his kibble ration. However, after noting last night when he was laying on his side that he has gained a bit, so I have cut him back a bit.

The weakness in his rear legs is not really worse, but no better either. He manages well, even to running a bit. After going outside in the morining with Princess, he knows that when he comes back in, his bowl will have been filled by Daddy. So when I open the door to let them back in the race is on, Red and Princess to the end of the utility room and the 90 degree left turn through the door into the kitchen. At this point Red will over extend his ability and his legs will go out from under him and he goes down. I usually don't see it as I am turned the other way, closing the door.

By the time I turn around, he is up and through the door, going his his food bowl in the "computer room" and Princess is standing by her crate waiting for me to open it so she can go in and eat. They have been fed separately all her life because of his thyroid pill and not the diuretic and prednisone, and she has nothing. Plus, once he has scarfed down his kibble, he will check to see if any has been dropped.

The weakness in his legs does not seem to bother him even when he goes down, he just picks himself up and goes on. It does not happen on the carpet, only on the vinyl flooring where he has trouble getting traction. I think it bothers me a lot more than it does him. But, then that is typical of our pointed ear friends, they are so stoic and take life as it comes without displaying any impact. You have to look closely at their eyes to see if they are in pain. I don't see pain in Red's eyes, but on occasion, I do see a little worry.

As I post this, Red is streatched out on a pad in the living room and Princess is curled up on another. I will say that this is a new experience for me in one respect, most of my previous dogs who were diagnosed with the big C left in fairly short order to cross the Rainbow Bridge. With Red, I have been granted far more time which I am grateful for.