Freyja Injured

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Yesterday Karen and I went to take care of some shopping we needed to do and left Freyja at home with our daughter Rachel, her boyfriend, and his lab-mix 8 month old puppy Murphy.  Murphy and Freyja always play well together so we all thought it would be fun for them while Rachel packed some of her things to get ready to head to Wilmington, NC for college.

When we arrived back home we noticed something just wasn't quite right with Freyja.  She didn't bark when we pulled up.  She didn't run and scratch on the door with enthusiasm as we entered the garage.  She didn't sprint out the door to greet us when we opened it.  When she came out her head was down and she was moving slowly.

Later in the evening we sat down on the couch to read together and again noticed Freyja wasn't her normal self.  She didn't jump on the couch, which she always does, usually trying to fit herself right inbetween Karen and I.  She just had that look in her eyes that something wasn't right with her.  I got her a treat and she would slowly sit for it, but would not obey the down command, almost as if saying, "Please don't make me do that".  I eventually laid on the couch and fell asleep and she laid on the floor beside me.  That is not normal Freyja; if I fall asleep on the couch I usually wake up to find her head sharing the pillow with me.

Best we can figure she got hurt sometime when she was playing with Murphy.  Rachel said she had to separate the dogs because Freyja was "getting tired of him", apparently snapping at him to leave her alone.  She's walking ok, but holding her head down when she walks, almost in a submissive posture.  She is eating and drinking, which is good, and will lay beside us for petting and lovin'.  There are no outward signs of a problem on her, and we can find nothing wrong by touching her  She finally picked up a bit when Murphy came back over this afternoon, but we wouldn't let them interact too much together, not wanting her to get hurt any further.

Of course it's Sunday, so the vet is not in.  We are watching her closely to see if she starts feeling any better.  We're hoping it's just a strained muscle or something simple.  But she can't tell us what hurts, that's the frustrating part.  If she doesn't show any signs of improvement I guess we'll head to the vet tomorrow.

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Stand back and closely watch her walk around. Dog's can't talk but they do communicate with body language - and if there is a strained muscle you'll be able to see it in her movements.

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Keep an eye on her definitely. You might want to massage her legs and joints and feel over her entire chest and sides. It may also be that she feels as if she did something wrong since Rachel had to "separate them".

It may also help to get her favorite snack out and see if she perks up.

On advanage the vet has over us is his educated fingers that can find things wrong that we cannot.

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I had that same experience with Sofia and her great pal. They ran together, played and wrestled and seemed to get along great. In fact we used to trade dog sitting times when my husband I would go away.. It was all of a sudden and a shock to us when it all went so wrong. I posted the experience and you can read "when good pals go bad"
Sometimes I think our kids get super possesive and when they feel abandoned for any reason, they act out.. I watched Sofia do the same thing when we took a pup in to rescue for only a weekend.. she did the same thing that you are describing. I would bet that by the time you read this, Freyja is back to her normal sunny self.. Some times good times just go bad. Please let us know what's up and let Frejya know she is your special baby and no one will take her place..

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Update:  Late Sunday night....Freyja seems to be making slow strides forward.  She spent a lot of the day outside with Karen while Karen was working in her garden.  She didn't run any but did walk around quite a bit, which I hope will loosen her up some.  This evening she actually, although hesitantly, walked down the stairs on the back deck, something she wouldn't have done this morning.  She brought her rawhide into the living room and laid in the floor while Karen and I read Thoreau's "Walden".  Her overall demeanor was better than earlier, although I wouldn't classify it as "normal".  Finally, a few minutes ago Karen said she jumped up on the bed.  Apparently she barely made it, but that is a big step forward as she wouldn't even jump up on the couch earlier in the day.

This progress has me leaning toward something just getting strained a bit.  My major concern was an internal injury, but since she's showing some improvement in her demeanor this evening I'm more hopeful now that it's not serious.  I've raised 3 kids and I believe it's easier to deal with their aches and pains than Freyja getting hurt.  We can ask them questions and get answers about where it hurts, how it happened, are you feeling better, etc.  It's harder to communicate with our dogs, although we try to read them as best we can. 

I may have inadvertantly given the wrong impression, Freyja and Murphy didn't have a dogfight.  Apparently Freyja's injury is a result of the rough play of two 60+ pound dogs.  Freyja's snapping at Murphy was to say "Hey dude, I'm hurt.  Leave me alone".  They said "howdy" today but we didn't want Murphy playing rough with her given the way she was acting.  Freyja's spirits did seem to pick up a bit when she saw him.

I'll have to watch her and try to evaluate her in the morning.  We are planning to go to town tomorrow, but if Freyja's not close to 100% I'll have to leave her home since we'll have to walk about a mile after the bus drops us off.  That'd be a shame because she loves the attention she gets at places like the bank, post office, and barber shop, all places we are planning to visit.  But of course her health is my number one concern. 

 

 

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Once you assertain that there are no injuries, I would encourage you to treat her exactly the same as before. I have found, from reading this forum for almost a year and doing a lot of research that Dobermans are very sensitive and take on the demeanor of the pack.. ( you) You've always treated her in a certain way, now there's concern in your voice and your touch.. I don't know Frejya very well.. but I do know that if I "poor baby" Sofia.. she becomes one.
Please keep us informed.. I woke up this morning and checked the forum even before coffee to see how she was doing!!

One thing that you may have to watch out for is a partial ACL tear. ACL injuries are quite common and require surgery. Lots of people let their dogs suffer through it without surgery but it is very painful. Dobermans can be very stoic in showing pain. They can be hurt pretty darn bad before they show physical symptoms. I might consider some crate rest if she were mine. When Paris was younger and way to full of life she had to be put on 2 weeks of crate rest. It was hell on everyone but it was what she needed not to re injure the area.

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Thanks so much for everyone's concern about Freyja.  That is one thing I love about this forum is everyone really cares about each other's doberkids.

Update...Late Tuesday night...  Freyja has slowly been showing progress.  Yesterday morning she seemed to be walking ok so I put her in her harness and we walked a little to see how she acted.  In normal walking she showed no signs of any problem.  She just wouldn't jump on the couch and laid down rather gingerly.  I decided that maybe our trip to town might help her, light exercise can often help when one has an injury.  I really wasn't worried about Freyja walking, but I did worry about her getting on and off the van we'd ride to town.  When the van arrived I told her to "truck" and she jumped right into the van, seemingly without any issues.  She got off just fine and we enjoyed our trip around town, the only thing seeming to bother her being the heat, it was about 85F, which is very hot here in the northwestern NC mountains.  She also got treats at the bank and the printing shop.

Last night Freyja still wouldn't jump on the couch, but sometime she finally did because when I woke up from again falling asleep watching Leno, her head was on my pillow sharing it with me.

Today she seemed ok, but I still noticed her being very careful when lying down, like something was hurting her.  She still didn't jump up on the couch and spent all her inside time in her crate in my radio room (her crate is always open).  I didn't see her take off running after the "hated hare" when we went outside.

Finally tonight she is again jumping up on the couch.  I don't think she's 100 percent quite yet, but I think it's safe to remove her from the DL (disabled list).  I'm just happy my girl is ok and it was nothing major wrong with her. 

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I can imagine your relief. They are just so stubborn and stoic!!!.. the thing we love most about them sometimes are the most frustrating!

Thank you so  much for your update.

Now once we hear from dobiluvr about Kratos, all will be well in our Doberworld!

I'm glad to hear that Freyja is doing somewhat better. How are things going this week?

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I hope that Freyja is on the mend...Q and Spohie send their love and get well wishes

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Sending well wishes to Freyja! Hope she is mending well! My pack sends licks!

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Thanks for the thoughts everyone.  Freyja seems to be back to her old self again.  We were camping this weekend and she took off running laps around the open area that we were camping in.  Watching a Doberman run at full speed is such a beautiful thing.  Anyway, I'm glad she's feeling better, it breaks my heart to see my girl not feeling well.

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Thank you for updating us.. When one of "ours" goes down, gets hurt, is sick or is just plain off.. we want to know and do what ever we can in the way of support and or suggestions. This forum has helped me through some pretty trying times with Sofia and I am grateful every day for each and every one of our contributors..Go Freyja.. You Rock!!

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Glad to hear it!