Food Questions

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Hey there, 

This is my first post so hello everyone!! And I apologize in advance for being long winded :)

Just wanting some opinions on quality puppy foods. We want to feed the best possible food for our little guy. He has had some minor skin issues for quite a while so we are switching around to try and find what is best for him. 

When we first got him we transitioned him immediately to wellness large breed puppy. He has been on that since he was 9 weeks (he is now 18). His tummy seemed to like it fine but he has developed some flaky skin, and has been diagnosed with "puppy acne". Plus i just felt like he could be on something better. I'm also suspicious of an allergy to either a chicken, grain, or combination of both. 

SO, I did a lot of research trying to find a puppy food that was poultry and grain free to see how he did. No luck, all the large breed puppy foods have either or. So we decided to eliminate the chicken first and went with solid gold wolf cub. I'm not very impressed. It may be a great food but from what I'm reading i feel like it was an over all downgrade from wellness and his poo has been very light (almost yellow) and pretty soft compared to when he was on wellness. To be fair I'm giving it till the end of this week, but I intend on switching him.

I really like what I've been reading about orijen and I'm fairly certain thats what i want to try next. They have a very nice large breed puppy, but I really like the 6 fish because it is grain and poultry free. I wonder if i can put him on that at this age. I've been told before that the "puppy" food thing is a gimmick anyway but I'm not sure. And should he be on a "large breed" food? 

My main questions are what are your experiences with these foods (orijen large breed and orijen 6 fish)? Is there another orijen food you like better or another brand perhaps?

 

Would it be ok to put him on the 6 fish at 18 weeks?

 

Thanks so much for your input!!

 

**just a side note, I give him one snip tip a day for skin ever since this skin thing started. Also just started on synovi g4 glucosamine chews once a day as well. A friend had them left over form her dog who would not eat them so I figured it couldn't hurt. Our guy is a goat and will eat everything!!! (especially dirt, mulch, twigs, is this normal?) He even gave us quite a scare and swallowed a small gym sock. Now all of our laundry is locked up. 

is this to much? Is it ok to give a high quality food and still give supplements?  I don't want to over do it but i can not help but be paranoid of health issues. I've seen so many sad stories. I just want to give him the best possible care and health i can!

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Hi and welcome to the forum! We feed Taste of the Wild High Prarie Puppy Formula dry with High Prarie wet food mixed in. We also supplemement with salmon oil. Out pup Bandit seems to be doing very well on this (I know all dogs are different though)

I do highly advocate a grain free food and grain free treats! I'm sure somebody with more knowledge on orijen will chime in and share info! 

As for your pup eating everything, I think this is normal! Mine will eat anything he can get his mouth on... socks, plastic bottles, sticks, rocks, pinecones, dirt, you name it he wants to eat it haha.

-Emily

Kim
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www.dogfoodadvisor.com

If you haven't looked here, it's a great site that rates dog foods.

As for the sock...I had one Dobe who would swallow socks if he found them. 2 or 3 days later he would vomit them back up. Blech. Now, it's kind of funny - but yes, you just have to put things up when they do that. A couple of times he had to go to the vet to bring stuff back up. He was like your pup - swallow anything. Thank God he never had to have surgery. (And that he was the only dog I had that wanted to eat everything.)

Being a pup, maybe yours will outgrow the habit - puppies do want to taste everything. I hope so!

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I used Orjen for Ben in his last 7 months of life, he loved it, we stayed away from the fish due to the toxins in farmed fish and we used the recycle bins in the cabinets to store his food and the second you pulled the drawer/door out the whole house reeked of dead fish and he had gas something terrible that would run you out of the house, I think in the end we had a mix of fish and something but not straight fish.....we liked the ingredients and he did very well on it, his hair quit falling out and he looked forward to his meals with gusto, we tried all the "good" foods and this was his favorite. Ben was a rottie not a doberman and he had several health issues cancer and an auto immune disorder and this food didn't cause any flare ups of either.....

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Thanks for the feedback guys!! no pun intended 

Emtowns, thanks and I have not read much about taste of the wild, I will have to look into it 

Kim, i love that site!! I have done a lot of my research there. And i really hope this eating everything in sight is something he grows out of but im not so sure... he kept his sock down for 8 days and we fed him canned pumpkin and powdered fiber until it finally game out the back end. We were ready to take him to my vet at the first signs of vomiting or blockage though. quite a scare. We now change clothes and keep all the hampers in the closet, to which we keep the door shut to at all times so there is no laundry access.

Talisin im very sorry for your loss he was a beautiful boy! I was unaware that there was a high amount of toxins in the fish orijin used? I was under the impression that it was caught rather then farmed? Did you mean the toxins were something you needed to avoid due to his condition or for all dogs in general? 

I am still wondering if he can be on something like orijin 6 fish at his age, or if he has to be on  puppy food or large breed food?? does anyone have any insight on that?

Thanks so much!!

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I just read way too many articles and reviews about puppy nutrition and food...now I am more confused than ever.  I wonder the same as Ruski...are dobes considered large breed puppies?  If so...the food I am giving him has too much calcium (2% - Kirkland's, which got 4 stars) but I can't seem to find one that actually has the correct amount (1%-1.4%).  I'm now terrified that my baby is going to get horrible diseases and have abnormal growth.  I think I'm just overreacting and need to relax though.

Please ignore my crazy. :-p

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I personally don't trust any food that is totally fish due to lax labeling as far as how the fish are really caught etc. to reduce toxins I just never fed total fish plus it stinks to high heaven when you open the bag, our whole house would stink for hours after feeding Ben; Orjen is a better food along the lines of Fromm I actually compared the ingredients and liked the Orjen better for Ben, and yes he was more sensitive to toxins due to his auto immune disorder and cancers.....hope that helped

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So, to follow up after my freakout yesterday...I went home and check the bag and the food I have (Kirkland's) does actually only have 1.2% calcium.  He seems to be doing well on it and it has a decent rating and it's affordable for me, so I'll be sticking to that!  Unfortunately, no boutique pet stores here.  The vet sells purina proplan, which actually only got 3.5 stars and was exponentially more expensive, so I think I'm doing ok!

Also...after reading the bag, I noticed that right now at 3-4 months, Kike should be getting around 3-4 cups of food daily.  However, later on when he's older it goes down to much less.  Do puppies eat less as they grow older?  I can't see my big boy ever wanting to eat less, but I know that it's also healthy for him to be lean and not overeat. (I don't want to make the same mistake that I did with Antonio (cat), weighing in a a whopping 13 lbs!)

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Well in the grand scheme of things I would say as he gets older he won't be eating less, I could be wrong, but puppies don't normally eat alot less than a full grown dog just because of the weight an all; I know most big dogs eat between 3-4 cups of food a day a bit less as they actually get into senior years when flab is really a health issue; keeping your dog at a healthy weight is most important their whole lives. I know my vet has been very proud that I have been able to keep my 15 year old chihuahua at 9-10 pounds for these past 8 years most elderly chi's are very overweight but mine is not, however, Ben the rottie was overweight due to drugs for his auto immune and cancer, no matter what we did he was always about 10 pounds overweight sometimes as much as 15 or more due to prednisone when added to the mix. Some people when they refer to lean it's actually a bit too thin so just keep a healthy weight and I don't think you will notice a big difference between puppy eating amounts and adult......but I am going on Rottweiler and other breeds not having had a doberman