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Ok, so we seem to be having a "problem" with our little Chloe and her dog food.  Let me try and make a long story short:

When we got her, we started her on "Blue Buffalo - Wilderness Chicken" which is a GRAIN FREE Holistic dog food, high in protein.  Obviously, we had her on the Puppy stuff, not Adult.  She seemed to absolutley LOVE this dog food, and we never had any problem with it for the first 3 weeks of use.  After doing some more extensive research, I was reading that she should be eating a puppy food for LARGE BREED dogs, not just regular "puppy food".  Unfortunataly, Blue Buffalo does not make a grain free "large breed" puppy food.  Anyways, I called Blue Buffalo Co. directly and spoke with customer service, they also told me that I should NOT be feeding our Doberman this food as it is not really intended for "large breed" dogs.  She highly recommended that we start her on "Blue Buffalo Puppy for Large Breed" which DOES contains grains, among other things that the Wilderness brand did not.

Ok, now keep in mind, 1/2 day BEFORE I switched Chloe to the new food, she started having Diarreah.  Then, we I got home yesterday evening with the "new" dog food, we gave it to her for dinner at a ratio of 50/50 (50% Wilderness, and 50% large breed puppy).  My wife has now told me as of today she is having horrible Diarreah.  My main concern now is the fact that she actually started the Diarreah BEFORE we made the switch.  What would cause her to suddenly start having Diarreah??  I'm sure making the switch of foods is not helping the matter either.

Also keep in mind, Blue Buffalo Co. told me that the switch should NOT be very irritating for her because they are both "Chicken" based, 1 has less fat and more calcium, 1 is Grain free, 1 isn't, etc.

 

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention ONE more thing:  the day BEFORE the diarreah started, we had just started feeding her more food.  We were told (on this Forum actually) that 1-1/2 cups per day is NOT enough for a 9 week old pup, and we were told to start feeding her 3 cups per day (1 cup at a time).  The next day, is when the Diarreah started.  Now with the switch of dog foods.......the Diarreah is even worse.


Any advise would be helpful.

Thanks,

Brian

The diarreah may not be related to food at all. If she has it longer than 24 hours, I would check with the vet.  That said, you might want to try to probiotics - but for the immediate 24 hours, pull her off of kibble altogether and make a batch of white rice - also cook up some hamburger. Give her one meal of just rice, for the next meal add in some hamburger, if she is doing well, give her one more meal of just rice and hamburger.... then do 1/2 kibble and 1/2 rice/hamburger mix for a couple of meals. 

If you upped the amount you are feeding her rapidly, that might have caused the runs - her system may not have been able to handle that much food all the sudden. 

The reason it is so important to get a handle on diarrhea - especially with puppies - is that they can become dehydrated quickly. It can also be a symptom of much more serious problems like parvo or worms..... with parvo being very deadly so if it does not clear up quickly, go to the vet. 

 

Also - as a note, grain is not a bad thing in a dogs diet. Some dogs just don't tolerate grains - especially wheat.  I personally avoid wheat and corn, but don't shun all grains... especially with puppies.  Not all dogs do well on any one kibble, so the blue buffalo may not be the food for her.  Dobermans are not a really large breed so feeding her large breed kibble is not necessary. Keeping the protein at 26% or less is a good idea for growing Dobes.

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Thanks for the reply Fitzmar.......I would "hope" it's not anything other than over feeding.  As far as "parvo" or "worms", I would also trust that's not the case.  She has had 2 de-wormers (tested negative on both occasions) as precautions, and had her first set of shots 1-1/2 weeks ago.  In addition, we only take her outside to go to the bathroom, and she is strictly supervised when outside.  She is also not around any other dogs.  Until she is COMPLETE with all her shots (at 4 months I guess), she will remain "locked down" so to speak from the outside world, dogs, etc.


Now that I think of it, I'm almost certain it is "probably" the over feeding.  You are actually the one who gave me the advice of feeding her more.  I think your advice IS correct, but I think I made the mistake of starting that extra feeding all at once.  In other words, I went from 1/2 cup per serving, directly to 1 cup per serving.  Around 8 hours later is when the Diarrhea started.  And actually, I just looked this up on PetMD regarding "Sudden Diarrhea"

One of 4 causes is listed as this:

"Osmotic imbalances" occur when the concentration of food molecules in the intestine is too high. Water is drawn into the intestine by the excess molecules, causing diarrhea.


What do you think??  Sounds like maybe she is getting to much food to fast, and she kind of "shocked" her system since she wasn't used to eating that much??

It very well could be the additional food, and my bad - I should have told you to increase the amount over a period of days.  Sorry about that!

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Would you still recommend that we do the rice & hamburger thing you mentioned?  Honestly, I don't really want to change her food completely, even if it's only temporary.  You think just bringing the amount of food back down to 1/2 cup for now would help?  Then....if the Diarrhea stops within 24 hours, we would then gradually start increasing her food over time?

Or.......is the rice & hamburger a "remidy" to help stop the diarrhea??

 

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Hi, I'll chime in since Fitz is offline right now.  Anytime, and I mean ANYTIME, my Fancy got a different protein source other than chicken she developed diarrhea.  What you could do instead of switching protein to hamburger is to boil some chicken and mix it with the rice.  Trust me, it's really not like changing food for her, it's just a temporary substitute.  Rice is known for "tightening" things up stool wise.  You don't have to let her eat a ton of it for now, just enough to satisfy the hunger pangs, and let it work itself out.  But, as mentioned, if this continues for more than a few days, especially after feeding her rice and chicken, you should think about taking her to the vet.  Be sure that she's drinking enough water.

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Thanks for the advice HappyDance!  Actually, Chicken makes a little more sense to me than Hamburger, simply because of the fact that she's been eating a chicken based dog food!  Ok, hamburger meat back in the freezer, now the chicken is out & defrosting! lol

I did feed her about 1/4 cup of rice about 1 hour ago, that's all she would eat.  She wasn't to fond of it actually, but luckily she DID eat some.  Question, would it hurt if I added like 1 Teaspoon of Olive Oil or Fish Oil to the rice.  The rice is kind of "sticky", so it was sticking inside her mouth, and on her nose! lol  She was so cute watching her try to eat the rice, it was somewhat of a challenge for her!

I think a little oil on the rice would take care of the "stickiness".  You think that would be ok?

Like Fitzmar said, I'll feed her straight rice tonight for dinner, then tomorrow I'll give her 50/50 rice & chicken.  Then maybe tomorrow night, if the diarrhea has cleared up, I'll add a little of her kibble into the rice & chicken mixture.  I PRAY this will take care of it.  

I'm almost CERTAIN this was caused by me drastically increasing her food intake all at once.  Hopefully it's nothing else, but "if" it doesn't clear up by Saturday, then I suppose I'll be taking her to the Vet!

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She'll manage without the oil for now LOL.  One thing that is mentioned quite often on the forum is to add just a small bit, maybe a tablespoon, of canned pumpkin to the mix. (not the pie kind, the straight pumpkin).  I keep a can on hand all the time, and I'm needing to pull it out tonite...somebody ate something they shouldn't have.....it's always something LOL!

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I'ver never heard of "canned pumpkin"!  What is that?  You can find it in the grocery store?

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I found the canned pumpkin right beside the pumpkin pie filling at WalMart.  It is just pumpkin purée.  It doesn't have the spices and sugar that the pie filling has.  It is used by those wanting to make their own pumpkin pie by adding their own ingredients.  Other wise they would have to use a fresh pumpkin & the mess, or buy the pie filling and not be able to customize their own recipe.  The can I bought was just slightly larger than the pie filling can.  Your dog doesn't need the extra stuff in the pie filling and it probably would upset the dogs system further with the spice, sugar, etc.

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Thanks Kar-jinx!  Well believe it or not, she already went back for seconds of just PLAIN white rice! Yuck! lol  So I don't think the pumpkin will be necessary, at least for now.

Tomorrow morning, I'll be feeding her 2/3 cup of White Rice with 1/4 of plain cooked chicken breast.  I will do the same recipe for her lunch tomorrow as well.  If her stool looks better tomorrow, then her dinner will consist of 1/4 cup rice, 1/4 cup chicken, and 1/4 cup of kibble.  

This recipe is NOT from experience, but from advice on this forum, and just assuming that my measurements described above should be pretty sufficient.  

How does it sound to you?

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Just remember than ANY change you make to their diet should be gradual, whether a food change, protein change or amount change.  They are little and anything that varies greatly upsets their little bellies..:)

 

I feed Blue Fish and Oatmeal - it's not grain free but still a quality food.   Honestly if you asked 10 people what to feed you'd get 10 answers, you just have to read up and educate yourself and make a decision that's best for you and your pup.  

 

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Thanks Lori, I agree with you about the dog food.  It's amazing actually, I "used" to think that Science Diet, Eukunuba, Purinia Pro Plan, Pedigree, etc. etc. were ALL good dog foods!  Wow was I wrong!!  I always fed my dogs "commercial" dog food, up until we got our baby Chloe, and I did extensive research and found out the TRUTH about these commericial foods.  I wanted my baby to be on the BEST food I could find, yet still easily accessible.  When I started reading about Chicken by products, corn used as a cheap filler, just a bunch of CRAP put into food.  Basically, all the left over parts of animals and carcasas that are not edible to a human, then ground up and put into our pets food.  You know what else is put into a lot of dog foods??  Euthanized dogs & cats are even put into commercial dog foods, along with road kill and diseased animals!!  It's disgusting, it truly is!

In addition, these large companies like "Hills" and "Nestle" etc. are the companies that support & FUND the nutrition classes that Veteranarians have to take in school.  Plus, these companies offer Vets incentives & bonuses for "recommending" their dog foods and keeping on their shelves.  It's a business of course, but come on!!  I would imagine most Vets have to KNOW what they recommend is GARBAGE, but it's all about the money some times!  Makes me so mad when I think about it!

As far as Blue Buffalo, I'm totally stuck on this brand!!  Obviously, I know there also many other "quality" dog foods out there (Innova, Wellness, Orijen....just to name a few) but I think Blue Buffalo is a great company, and they have been VERY helpful anytime I've called them for advice, etc.

For now, I'll transition Chloe to the "Blue Buffalo for Large Breed Puppy" and take her off the "Blue Buffalo Wilderness".  I'll stick with the Chicken based for now, hopefully with a gradual transition, she'll do ok!

Thanks again for your input!

Brian

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UPDATE:

The rice & chicken made her stools solid again, and we only did it for one day.  We started her back on kibble yesterday, and diarrhea started again, but......I'm happy to say, that Chloe had a nice solid poo tonight!!  It's a little early yet, since she is on 75% old and 25% new, but it's definitely progress!!  I'll stay on this ratio for another 2 days, then switch to 50/50.  I'll probably stay on the 50/50 ration for like 3-4 days, then move to 75% NEW and 25% OLD.  Hopefully the progress will continue, and it won't go back to diarrhea throughout the ration changes!  

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Your ratio is about the same a Lady Kate advised in another similar topic.  So you are doing it right. The rice worked well for Dayian.  I think his problem was stress from the change from former owner to me and a very long road trip.  He also had a bad case of gas, with the diarrhea,  here after known as super Doberfarts!  I thought he was going to kill us!  they have subsided as well to just the occasional one.  That I could live with.  We seriously thought we were going to have to demolish the house and rebuild.  Our house wasn't fit for human habitation for 4 days!  Gag! Cough!