Docked tail reopened CONCERNED

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Hello dobe fam, The breeder I am working with was carefully selected and not giving me much reason to doubt. However, I just found out the dogs stitches came loose, then she had VET redo stitches and in turn came loose again. She tells me this happens from puppy's just being rowdy and licking etc. Also she is reducing the price by $150 to cover cost of me taking to the VET (if I choose) to have redone again. Is the bald spot on the tip of tail going to be obvious?

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Hi young Titus, I wonder how common this is for the stub to reopen? I would be worrying about infection more than anything. Although im a human nurse not an animal one hopefully someone will shine light on it. Q dosnt have hair on the end of his stub but i dont have many to compare with?

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Right that too!! Is infection a valid concern and if i take puppy home how much will i come out of pocket potentially to treat it?? Aww my poor Titus, please someone i get him tomorrow!! Need advice and guidance! :/

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I think that it will be fine as long as you take him right to the vet and have it stitched, once he's away from his littermates he'll have less risk of having it reopen due to rough play. 

I wouldn't imagine that it will cost a lot out of pocket for preventative anti-biotic care, and since you're already savinng $150 from the breeder, it's money that is already spent (that's my way of looking at things like this) and really, does it matter if it's going to cost a bit of $$ to make sure that infection doesn't set in?!?!?!

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How old is the puppy you are considering?  Typically the tails are docked when the puppies are 3 days old and they do not require stitches at all, to the best of my knowledge.  Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like the one you are looking at is older, and I would be concerned about the reason that the docking was done late enough to require stitches. 

If the stitches have come loose twice, it means that either A) the breeder is not paying close enough attention to the pup to keep it from fussing with the tail - that's a red flag right there!  Or B) the breeder's choice of vets is questionable and they don't really know how to do the stitching properly. 

If you have to get the tail restitched a THIRD time (OMG that poor dog!) you will be looking at $$$ much more than 150 to get the proper care.  I had to get my female Dakota's tail redocked because it wasn't done right in the first place - the tail joint was exposed and it was very irritating/painful for her; it was a constant scab that refused to heal.  I opted to have it done while she was already under anesthesia to be spayed, and that saved me a few hundred dollars.  Both procedures together came to around $700; to get the tail redone on its own would have cost around $500.   On top of that, she had to wear an e-collar for 2 weeks until the stitches came out and had to take an antibiotic daily as well.  Not that those things add to the cost but it's time consuming to have a puppy that is feeling under the weather - they get very needy.

I don't want to take the wind out of your sail, but you need to be aware of what you are getting into before you buy a puppy.  Maybe you can give us some more details on your situation to confirm otherwise, but from what you've said so far it doesn't sound like the breeder you've got is all that great, IMO. 

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I was thinking the same thing since posting originally, but couldn't say it because I was away from my computer till now.

This would be a huge red flag for me, especially since tails are docked at no later than 3 days after birth, and the fact that it's till open at what I'm assuming is at least 8 weeks of age is concerning.  I have to wonder at what point the tail actually got docked at.

Even though you say that this breeder was carefully selected and not giving you much reason to doubt, I would have large reservations in believing that s/he is as reputable as they claim simply based on how long it's taking for a tail docking to heal, this docking should have been healed ages ago since it generally only takes about a week to heal.

As Sweetpea stated already, based on the information that  you've given, I don't think this breeder is as good as you think.

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Hmmm, the worry sits in. Well here is what i do know, i have pics of puppies from birth to their current, 8weeks age. The tail was docked very very early like the first two weeks. Im really new to this. Im already 8 hours from home and scheduled for pickup and final payment tomorrow. The person im ordering from is http://jamboloudobermans.m.webs.com/site/mobile?dm_path=%2Findex.htm&fw_.... Please note im communicating via cell phone or i would upload pics! Guys stick with me ill try to get access to PC by noon tomorrow to load pics. Im confused now bout your comment. The tail ahould have been healed then!! Hmmmm grrr frustrating I guess i should take the drive at least and see for myself then but please keep comments going i really hope its not what it seems. I do know the ears got done recently so maybe she said tail on accident?? Hmm Im very concerned :(((

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Every time they need new stitches - be it tail, stomach, foot, or ears it means that dog has to go through an anesthetic procedure again.  That is NOT healthy for a young dog at all.

I think there are too many red flags for this one, but you're committed so what can you do?  You're not going to see that puppy and go home without it.  I don't think anyone would be able to.

Get your puppy and get to a vet you trust and see what they say.  Sweetpea is right, the tail docking done at 3 days should not require sutures.  It often is fine with just surgical glue.  Some vets will put a small stitch in just in case - but it's not a fully sutured or anethestic procedure.

I would ask if they perhaps got the tail redocked when the ears were done and why.

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What a hard call ..the puppies look gorgeous on the website. I wouldnt be able to resist..but i dont 'think' straight when i see puppies.  I see also that the puppies come with a two year health guarantee. Good luck you may find on talking to the breeder and discussing these issues will help :)

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Everyone, im going to get this pup regardless. I still have to believe this is a trustworthy source for sobe companions and will see that I can show pics real soon from begining to present. Ill keep a bald nub too before having the stiches done again. I wouldnt want them redoing my tattoo in the same spot either!! Wish me luck.

when tails are done, mine are glued with surgical glue and stitched. What often happens is that the bitch licks them out and they open up.  This happened with one of my litters and while it looked bad, they all closed fine without me doing anything. One had some scar tissue on the end and it was fixed at the time of ear cropping at 8 weeks. 

 

One thing I wouldn't do would be to make it the new owners issue.

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okay so just so everyone knows. Titus is with me now. i'll get some pics going in another post but He looks great and very lively after being here at home now for about 36hours. He likes to get whatever he can in his mouth lol! but i have plenty of toys.

but back to the subject, his tail may scar a lil or whatever but i once i talked with breeder and saw for myself it's not at all where my imagination took me. and there is no one I am putting him through any of that stuff again.

Overall he is a very good boy! He slept the whole way home in the car.

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Glad to hear it wasn't as big a deal as you thought it would be.  I'm a worrier too, so I totally get that!  :)  Congrats on your new boy, looking forward to seeing those pictures!  It sounds like you are well prepared, you can never have too many toys around!  :)

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Just another update. I took Titus to the vet just because I was concerned about the little blood that was on tip of his tail and he keeps biting and licking at it.

Turns out the tail has begun to get infected. She gave me medication for that, sprayed something on the tip of his tail, then gave me the "funnel" shaped head gear to keep him from getting to his tail and ears.

I am going to have to post a pic, he looks soo funny/cute... poor fellah!

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Actually, a puppy chewing on his tail is not that unusual. An interesting sidebar - on Monday I took Jake (my new red male who will be 8 weeks old tomorrow) to the vet. During the examination, the vet tech whom I have known for many years was checking his tail, and discoverd a stitch. The vet removed it, but we really had to hold him as he didn't want anyone messing with his tail.

If the scar is small, when they get their adult fur which is much longer than the puppy fur, you many not notice it and probably no one that didn't know it was there would either. Red had a slight scar and it never showed up once he got the longer fur.

Enjoy your new boy, and post lots of pics.

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Hope he gets better soon. Laith's tail was docked the first few days. But it is very noticeable. Not sure what you are expecting but I can clearly see it all the time.