Dilute color issues

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I read that some stay away from the dilute colors because of problems with coats.  Will some of you share your experiences with coat or other problems with dilutes?  And can they be corrected with diet?  I do not have my dobe yet but was looking at puppy pictures and wondered if you can tell with dilutes on young puppies or by looking at the parents whether or not that particular puppy would have issues?  And if you have an adult with issues can they be managed with diet/supplements?

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SonLight, there is a great website about CDA...

 

http://www.seattle-attorney.com/storm/sup.html

 

You will hear varying opinions on whether or not someone should actually seek a dilute doberman.  I am neutral on the topic since I don't know enough about it, but please don't pay more for a dilute just because they are more rare.  That is a scam from someone who is only trying to make money and doesn't care about their health or temperament. 


Also, there is a great article in the Doberman information section on this website that you should check out.

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Thank you!  Going there now......

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The punchline: Blue/Fawn Dobermans & 'coat issues(thin/coarse/CDA)' go hand in hand. Statistics seem to vary on how prevalent CDA is among dilutes and, perhaps more frustratingly, the severity of the hair loss is not reported within those statistics either. So, in reality there's really no good gauge on which to judge which pups would or would not have issues.

 

If you decide to get a Blue or Fawn, as I have, I'd be mentally prepared to deal with hair loss. 

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Thanks D.  So is that the only thing tied to color?  I'm not specifically looking for a dilute but had wondered if the opportunity came up should I refuse because of this.

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I had a pair of blues once, many years ago, and both the male and the female developed CDA...totally different bloodlines, but they both ended up with it.  It was a moderate case on the male, but a severe case on the female.  I love the dilutes, but because of my personal experience with them, would never choose to own another one. I'll admit, not ALL dilutes are affected, but like D & Evie stated, if you choose a dilute (blue or fawn) prepare for what MIGHT happen. 

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Ziva's Dad.....what age did they develop it?  How did you manage it?

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The male started showing signs at 6 months of age...thinning hair on his neck and chest, then he started getting bare spots on his hips.  Hair was very thin and coarse---almost brittle feeling.  The female seemed fine until she got to be 9 months old, then it blew out of whack all over her body...especially around her face.  We did medicated baths, and some weird-smelling topical application from the vet that was a milky-looking liquid that we diluted 4 parts water to 1 part medicine, and it smelled like model airplane glue, or maybe fingernail polish--it was weird.  For the life of me, I cant remember the name of it, though.  This has been like 25 years ago, too.  The male got to a point where it looked awful on him, but it stopped getting worse.  The female, however, got so bad, her skin started callousing up and she had 'elephant skin'.  Her eyes swelled shut and she was totally miserable.  She only lived to be 3 yrs old.  Some friends of mine wanted the male so badly, and didnt care about his CDA---they continued with the treatments and he lived to be around 9 yrs old, but his hair never did grow back in.

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Oh wow, that's sad.  You think then that by a year of age you would know if there was a problem then?  Or at least by age 2.  So if I get a puppy I might not be able to know but if I get an adult I would be safer?  I'm sorry your dobes has such an uncomfortable condition. 

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Well, I'm no expert on it---that's the only time I have ever dealt with it, but from what I read and hear, if it's going to show up, it usually does by the 2nd birthday, not saying it can't appear later, but to get a puppy---it's a gamble, in my opinion.

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Thank you....kind of what I'm trying to find out.  It's nice to hear others experience with this.

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Sofia is a fawn and is probably six, maybe seven years old.

Her hair is a little course and slightly thinner in places ( inside her flanks and belly are almost bare) but she's shiny and healthy and we don't do anything special aside from an occasional scrambled egg and very few baths.. I don't think she has CDA and I doubt that she'll get it at this age.. Here's a picture of her thinking about it all!!

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She is so beautiful!

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Sofia is very pretty!  And she looks like she has a nice coat.  At that age I would think you'd be safe.  She looks very content!

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I quite like this product. Once I started Evie on this supplement her coat became significantly softer and thus less likely to suffer breakage. Salmon oil alone would probably be enough to soften her coat but I do like the idea of her getting a full spectrum probiotic as well.

 

Kate, let me know if you guys ever vacation up the coast -- would love to see Evie and Sophia run together someday:) 

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She is one beautiful dog...seriously, Ive never seen such a beautiful Dobe. You are blessed.

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Sofia is very beautiful.

Thats how I joined this site, was looking to by a blue doberman.I did a lot of reserch, from everyone i talked to on and off this site it all depends on the dog. I met two blues in my area, both from the same litter. One had no problems and the other started to but the owner said once they changed it's diet it went away. So basicly a bunch of mixed reviews on the issue, you don't know till you get one.

 The litter my puppy was coming from turned out to have a false pregnancy. So I went with my better idea and found another breeder that had a red/rust female. Will be getting her this Saturday, it's going to be so much fun have a new puppy around. Will post pic.

Good luck on your search!

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Oh you are going to have so much fun with a new puppy!!  Can't wait to see pictures!

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Thank you everyone.. Sofia, we think, is remarkable..and every day when we snuggle or chat ( yes.. ma'me she understands every single word) I wonder how in the world someone could let this glorious golden girl go. ( I love alliterations too) We are so blessed

D and Evie.. thank you, I will check into this product. is it the enzyme one that you use?? And yes,. I can just see Evie and Sofia running together and how the sunlight would be bouncing off their coats 'like priceless burnished gold..' ( a line from one of the chapters in my book..hahaha)

SonLight good luck in your search. There are many many wonderful dobermans who will fill your heart with amazing joy.. Whether you chose to buy from a good breeder or rescue, remember they are karma dogs.. what you put in, they give back a hundred fold

Sofia says:

Hey Everyone.. how kind of you to say such nice things.. I am simply giddy over the responses

See you soon

 

 

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She is a beautiful girl. We have just had some diluted, and I am really wanting to talk to some blue and fawn owners. I have read storms site, and picked up some great tips there. My Tilly girl (black) has had her skin issues and we combated it with diet, but I would like to hear more about the blues.


At the moment, the pups are 17 days old. Some are getting milk spots, which generally go away of there own accord, but with two of the blues it seems more apparent. I was going to take them to the vet later today, however thought I would ask here first. Have just taken this photo this morning. Fawn is fine (just putting her photo on here because I think she is beautiful), but could you please take a look at the blue and give me your opinions if anyone has had this before. It doesnt seem like just bumps, but skin around it. Only on faces, no where else.

Just woke up - YAWN

I know its not the clearest of shots, but you can see that some of the skin is like it is peeling.

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Sorry, I meant to add that we did have two fawn rescues that came to us. They were almost bald and in very bad condition but after about three months they were back to normal. Their hair was courser that Jazzys, but all the hair they lost grew back, which indicated to me more to do with diet and stress.

Jazzy's skin sometimes plays up a bit when shes nursing or when she is in season, however it did happen towards the end of her quarantine period. It will just thin out a little just above her tail and her coat was coarser all over. That one Im chalking up to hormones, but I think the quarantine period was seperation anxiety.

Will and Grace - They were more Lady Kates Sofia colour, but I think because of the flash they appear somewhat darker. This was after about 2 1/2 months with me, and almost all hair was back then.

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Thank you for posting their pictures moutainmutt..

Will and Grace.. L-O-V-E it!!

They are so beautiful and I can see that special look, in their eyes.. To me the fawns take on an ethereal quality.. as gentle as their name sake and just so special. Bless you for the rescue work you do.. It's a never ending quest for answers, second guessing and a lot of trust on both sides..

P.S. Who is that adorable tow-head in your avatar?

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Aww, the little babies puppies are so beautiful!  I hope the vet had an answer regarding the bumps.  I am interested to hear what he/or she said.

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Thats my little boy in my avatar. He loves his puppies. I am taking the 2 blues to the vet in about half an hour, so will post what they say on this.

Just to clarify, I did a lot of rescue work in Vegas, not much call for it here, so just do admin for the Save Dobermans instead. That has grown quite a lot and a lot of rescues are tied in with it now.

I would like to get a rescue going here but the doberman club of nsw is the closest we have to it. We are lucky that dobeys are picked up almost straight away. But I would still like to start something here. Aside from the more formal doberman club of nsw, I would like to see more local clubs which could involve rescue. I'm in a small town. I only know of 3 dobermans here, in addition to mine, and one of my pups will be staying local. However, the next town up is quite large.

Food for thought.