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Does anyone have any experience with DCM, meds, outcomes?

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Well, it's a fatal disease so, unfortunately, the outcome is never going to be good.  The various meds give some dogs a good quality of life for years, some get months, some get weeks. 

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Been a long time since I have been here, I do remember you! I am asking this for a friend her dog is the same as mine Lab/Pit Bull 5 months old in Vtach. I remembered that dobermans can be prone to it. So I thought I would ask. Hope you are doing well.

 

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So good to see you again Cyn..we've missed you.

Sofia was diagnosed with DCM four or five years ago. We keep her on a strick no sodium diet and it's kept her well and happy. She's now ten years old.

There are many schools of thought re: medications and it's best to go with your vet's recommendation.. Ours seems to think the cardio meds are hard on kidneys and liver and do more damage to those organs rather than help the heart.. but he's definitely in the minority.

What works for us may not be the best for others..good luck to your friend.. it's a horrid HORRID disease.

Katie

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Thank you Lady Kate, you are great as always! Can I ask how and what you feed. It may be different for her little Winnie because of the irregular beats but I want to find out as much as I can for her. I will bring everyone up to speed on me, Loki and now Princess today!

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Thanks for your interest sweetness...

Okay.. here we go....

boneless skinless chicken breasts, brown rice, green beans and sweet potatoes.( equal amounts) Get the bags of frozen green beans and just defrost and add to the mixture..

You can use the broth from the roasted chicken to boil the rice..

On Wednesday we do hamburger and eggs

Thursday is sardine day ( one big one)

Weekends usually brings organ meat of some kind

She gets brewer's yeast, one tab daily

supplements of vitamins and minerals, one tab daily 

50 mcg thyroid pill every other day.

As little sodium as we can manage.. there's always some...

For snacks and treats she gets celery and apple... the doc said 'no' to carrots due to their enzymes and negative effect on her dear heart.. (which was a new one on me) but she doesn't like carrots anyway.

I've substituted green peas she loves them..and even tried fresh broccoli once.. ( YIKES.. the air was as green as the veggies.. not going to do that again)

One big marrow bone a week for the calcium and protein  and keeps her teeth clean..

She gets nine cups a day.. breakfast lunch and dinner and is maintaining a nice trim 89 pounds.. ( Sofia is a big girl)

Two years ago she started that horrid gagging DCM cough... you know the one that strikes fear in your heart as you are so worried they're choking to death....and in fact they are.. Within a month of the new diet, she lost 15 pounds of fluid that was building up around her heart and lungs.. Today.. she still has arrhythmia and her heart is twice the normal size.. but there's no fluid seen in X-rays and she does not have to go on lasix.

We exercise her every day....but it's moderate...she tells us when she's tired. Slowing down a bit.. but still quite the Diva.. we have a new pup who is the bane of her existence... see them in my avatar...

Send me photos of your new baby with Loki.. so happy to 'see' you again..

smooches to the pooches..

P.S. I forgot the MAGIC ingredient.. two tablespoons of local honey for 'bfast and lunch..NOT for a pup though..Sofia gets it for the extra energy.. it's amazing what it does for her.

 

 

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I would think that a dog in vtach would need sotalol?  It will help to regulate the heart, but, as I understand it, it might make the heart more irregular at first? 

It's sad that it's such a young puppy that is affected.  A Lab breeder friend of mine just lost a puppy about the same age to dcm, which is pretty much unheard of in that breed.  To hear you know a Lab mix with a similar problem makes me think it's not as unheard of as previously thought. 

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BTW, my friend who just lost the Lab puppy to dcm said that the puppy's last days were relatively normal, that it just turned bad the last day really before she passed.  She thought the fact that it was a puppy made the difference, her body wasn't so old and tired and kind of made up for the fact that she had a failing organ. 

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Yes that was my thought too with Labs but I am rethinking that as well. They are starting Solotal and one other drug. I am passing all this on to her. Thank you both so very much!

Cyndy

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lady kate good morning , you might want to check and make sure but i'm almost postive that celery has the most natural sodium of all veggies ! love the menu she eats better than me lol !!

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Lady Kate

What a labor of love.... but obviously it is working, or do we give the Bella Terrorista any credit....

Nine cups! (?)

Is that for both Sofia and Bella?

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karie... Wow.. I didn't know that about celery.. and didn't even think to check.. thank you SOOOO much... will curtail that treat..

Jules... I think the Terrorist has played a big part in keeping Sofia young at heart. They're not the best of friends. Sofia tolerates her with grace and the demeanor of a Diva.. but when she wants her beauty sleep...she gives her the "Elvis sneer" and Bella backs off.

Nope... .the nine cups of mixture goes directly to Sofia... no fillers like the kibble Bella gets.. ( only a scant five cups a day.) I watch their muscle tone.. waist line and rib cage to make sure they're getting enough.. too much.. etc. Last time Bella was weighed, she tipped the scales at 70 pounds.. she's like a lead bullet. We feed her Kirkland Signature Brand Nature's Domain... checked the ingredients and it's identicle to Taste of the Wild; only a third of the cost..

Thanks again karie.. I appreciate the heads up on celery.. who wudda thunk??

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you are very welcome lady kate ! glad to help .