Convince my husband neutering is OK!

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We had 3 dogs, all passed last year :(  with in 3 months of each other.  But, the point - out of the 3 dogs, 2 were neutered.  Those two (rottie mix and shepherd) were lazy and gained weight easily.  Our 3rd, (a shepherd) was always energetic and didn't gain weight, even in later years. 

So, here we have this puppy who is great at agility (we're beginners) and our kids are having a wonderful time and everybody gets a lot of exercise.  Can you guys help give me examples of dogs that have stayed energetic and maintained a good weight so I can get my husband on board with having Reesie neutered??  He's almost 5 months old now, and as I mentioned in another thread, he show signs of being dominant.  He's doing so good right now, I think my husband is chalking it up to a passing phase (which it may have been).  We have no intention of breeding him, I just think my husband is remembering our past experiences and having trouble getting past that.

 

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dobermans will stay energetic.  You can't compare to a rottie, which are many times lazier dogs, especially as they get older.  It's not a fair comparison.  There will be no downside to your boys agility trials if you neuter him.

People attribute WAY too much to neuter/spay... In general, nothing will change, except your dogs desire to mate, and the behaviors that go with mating.  Overall behavior should not change at all.

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Many times our dogs (any breed) tend to get lazy merely because we--the owners--tend to slack off in making sure they get the exercise they need. If you keep your doberman entertained, fed properly and exercised even after being neutered, he will be just as energetic and trim as his un-neutered dobie friends are. If you dont intend to show or breed your dog, why NOT neuter?  I believe that all pets that are not of breeding standards should be spayed/neutered.

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blue4 -- why don't you gently remind your husband of the serious issues you face with Reesie.  If Reesie hasn't even really begun to hit his manhood surge - and those issues 1) could amplify 2) start again.

Its just not worth the risk of a "lazy dog" to not neuter.  It, like Kevin and Paul said, is not a true statement.

Additionally, if Reesie does bite someone and the county finds out the fact that he is unneutered (in my experiene) may cause more fines and they will force you to neuter him to keep him anyway.

Its just not worth it.  Have him read this.

Still hoping Reesie stays on track but like with kids, once you establish boundaries and limitations, you MUST keep up with them.

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Thank you so much for your input!

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Intact male Dobermans are notorious for developing prostate problems eventually.  You won't find very many of the top Doberman males intact for their entire lives.  They are often collected, and neutered for their own good. 

Prostate problems can be very difficult to treat.  They say it's a hard spot for the antibiotics to reach.  Once they start, the dog is going to have to be neutered, and then you're doing it when he's not in optimum health. 

Every male Doberman I've owned has been neutered, some sooner, some a little later.  Weight is all about exercise and food (and sometimes the thyroid), and making the proper adjustments according to what you see - it's not about neutering. 

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Isn't there a certain amount of months you're supposed to wait before neutering, or am I just making up facts in my head?


And my grandma's black lab is neutered and he's fit as a fiddle! Same with her german shepherd, but they run all over her yard together lol

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Thank you glengate and Seiitsu.  Glengate - I've read many posts you've commented on and I appreciate you bringing your knowledge and experience...it's just what us newcomers need!

 

I think someone answered the waiting for neutering question over in my other post about Reesie and his dominate aggressive behavior.  I don't know how to put a link in to get over to that.  But the jest was someone said normally you should wait, but with a dog who shows such aggressive tendencies, it is better to do it sooner than later so the horomones don't get a chance to kick in.  Glengate, if you read this, could you put in your two cents before I make my appmt?

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I'm showing my ignorance here, but, Seiitsu, is that a white dobe??  Beautiful. 

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No, he's a white german shepherd. Thanks, he's my grandma's but he's my baby lol, I'm not too happy they bought a white one to be honest because I've heard of there being genetic problems but I didn't do much research on it, but he's proven to be completely healthy and a total sweetheart with some bullheaded tendencies lol, he's around 3 now I believe.

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We also had a white german shepherd!  He died last year.  He had a wonderful long life and was my baby too.  My son was looking over my shoulder when I read your post and he said, "There's Ace!"  Ace could melt my heart...but he could be bullheaded too - he drug me across the ground more than once chasing armadillos and squirells!!

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Most definitely, he's terrible on a leash and I unfortunately don't live near enough to help train him lol, he can definitely melt my heart as well. He can be so flinchy sometimes though and I'm not sure why =/

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Neuters are usually around 6 months if you don't plan to breed.

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Thank you jeshykai!  Reesie is 5 months, so I think I'll make the appmt and then convince my husband in the month before the appmt!

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blue- my hubby is in a snit over cisco being neutered- Well he is going next tuesday so he has to get over it. My vet said after 5 months but I have heard 6 months prior to that. My cisco is showing some dominance with me so off they go ;)

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yeah for Cisco!  I finally broke through with my hubby tonight...maybe he and Reesie can have a neuter party!

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Red was not neutered until the fall of 2009 before Princess came into heat the first time. He was 6 1/2 years old at the time. He is lighter and more active afterward, most likely because he was started on thyroid treatment about a year before that, and is on a controlled diet and tries to keep up with Princess.

I agree it will not affect their temperament or activity level. Just their urge and also their tendency to mark territory.

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I like the neuter party idea lol

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A NEUTER PARTY IT IS!!!! :)

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That's good to hear rgreen4!  I think all of this had made a big impact in my husband finally coming around.  I hope Red is having a good day...

We're going in this afternoon for our pre-op check up.  I'm thinking raw egg punch and homemade doggie biscuits for the party..... 

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Alright, this is exciting lol

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Magaritas for the moms (and dads)?????

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I'll have a virgin one lol

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We're always talking about proper socialization for the dogs :-)

It might be fun for us too!!

 

Reesie goes in Monday!  I couldn't believe they're getting us in so quickly!  It was the only opening for the next two weeks.  It was meant to be!

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Definitely, keep us posted on how he does!

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Thats great - He will do just fine Cisco goes tuesday! Maybe the party Friday :) :) :)

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Sounds great!!  I really wish we could!!!!

Hoping all goes well for Cisco!  Hey, are they doing blood work on Cisco to check on the blood clotting disease (I forget the name and probably couldn't spell it)?

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yes they are doing that- they did it on raven as well and she was clear

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We may have to delay the party!  I wrote a wrong date down and got mixed up - I'm keeping a friends kids for a couple of days.  I couldn't handle dropping him off today and know that he'd come home sore and groggy with 5 kids running around.  It just didn't seem fair to him.  So, we're rescheduled for next Monday....Go get 'um tomorrow Cisco!

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Cisco had to be postponed as well- We are also looking into a different vet b/c costs here are way outta control- He goes for a preop visit at new vet and hopefully by first week of april will be neutered!

I know what we could do, anyone that needs convincing for neutering their male can have Romeo for a week lol. I think they wouldn't be questioning it anymore lol. He tries to be good he REALLY does!

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Poor Paris.. she's probably mortified that anyone thinks she even knows him much less spawned the son of perdition!!

Busted Paris.. he's gorgeous just like his mama!!!

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I'm wondering Rnd, how did you go about deciding that Romeo was the one to keep? (lol)  They say beauty is only skin deep, but I'm sure in his case the beauty really helps!!  No, really, what a talented and wonderful dog.  I admire all your work.  I loved the snow pics by the way...

LOL Kate! I'm POSITIVE Paris wants him to go back where he came from (nonexistence). Actually he and Paris have been getting into it lately. I'm glad to say my very submissive girl is putting him in his place and not letting him get away with bullying her.

Blue, It is a long story how we went about deciding to keep Romeo. All I can say it is a good thing we did as not many people could handle him. It would definitely help if he was neutered though. Unfortunately for him that is not in his near future:)

In all seriousness with as much as I complain about him, he really is a good family dog! He loves everyone the same and has a very endearing quality about him. I think this endearing factor is why my husband along with my daughter has spoiled him so badly. He just has that melt your heart look to him. It is his outgoing independence that makes him harder to train, so we will see if he has what it takes to compete the way I like to compete.

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The job is done!  If I could figure out how to post pictures, I'd do it.  When I finally figure it out (it keeps telling my upload failed), I'll put a pic up of him in his cute blue bandana!  The girls at the vet gave it to him for being such a good boy....imagine that!!  He did great! 

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Oh good! And your husband's not complaining anymore right? How's he doing now?

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Good news.. You must be relieved it's over.. Sure.. neutering happens to hundreds of dogs every day.. but not YOURS.. Thanks for checking in with us..

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Glad it went well - we have pre op check w new vet tomorrow scheduling hopefully for next week!!!

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Blue4 - hopefully you vet used internal stitches that will dissove over time as the area heals. My vet did that on Red and as a result he didn't have to go back to get stitches out. Leaves very slight scarring as well.

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Thanks for asking, rgreen, he did use those internal ones.  I was very glad - it wasn't something I thought to ask about.  I was thinking he might start to chew or bother them. 

My husband is doing great with it.  I made a convincing case and he agreed without much fuss. 

I don't know what you guys did to keep your dog still for "10 DAYS"!!!!!  The nurse said if I could do 3 or 4 that'd be ok as long as he didn't get too excited.  OK.  He ran from the car to house, opened the door, grabbed his leash and came running back out to meet us!  The only thing I know to do is put him in his crate.  But for 3 days???? really, did any of you do that?

You're right Lady Kate, I kept looking at the clock and thinking about him.  They told me I could call after one, but the phone lines were out at the vet's and I just decided if anything had happened, they would find a way to get in touch with me on someone's the cell. 

I hope the new vet works out Cisco.  make sure they have cookies! 

Thanks so much everyone for checking in on us!!  It is so wonderful to have people who are interested.  Esp. when your family could care less!

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Blue4 - I took the advise to keep Red quiet as a relative suggestion. What I did do was go out with he and Princess and sort of kept her off of him. Together they would play and Dobies play hard. By keeping her under control it kept him "relatively" quiet. Even at 6 1/2, he was all but impossible to keep really quiet.

He did fine. I know that Reesie will as well. Just try to keep him as settled as you can. If I had thought about it, I would have recommended you discuss a small bottle of tranqs to sort of take the edge off his high energy level.

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Thank you Rick...can I call you that?! :-)

We did bring home some pain meds.  Nothing strong though.  I didn't think of that either.  And I thought he would be a little more groggy.  I'm just learning about all this energy! 

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When we had Brinks neutered the vet told us the same thing...  "No stairs, no jumping, no running, no strenuous exercise."  What they didn't add at the end of that sentence (and they should've!) was "Good Luck!" 

I'm pretty sure that they were smirking all the way back to the kennels! 

Brinks had laser surgery (at that time I could afford it) and I guess when they said it lessens the pain they REALLY mean it...  Brinks got himself kicked out of the "recovery" room after 4-5 minutes because he was up, bouncing around, wanting to play & disturbing the other recovering dogs.  (This was whispered to me by the front office girls - giggling!!)

It was a totally different experience when he had surgery to remove the histiocytomas a year later - no laser surgery that time & a much groggier dog afterwards - for a few hours anyway!

Good Luck!  You'll make it thru this too...

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Thanks Dabbles!  We took an all day car trip yesterday - that kept him still!!  I'm lowering my expectations for today.  If I don't get him outside for a while, he'll drive us all nuts!

I hate to sound ignorant, BUT, what are histiocytomas?

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Blue4 - I didn't know what they were either until Brinks had them.  Histiocytomas are growths sometimes found on young dogs (vet said usually before 3 yrs).  Usually they will go away on their own, but that wasn't the case for us. 

I found the thing on Brinks' side, small - about 9x6 mm - in January.  Took him to the vet who explained histio's to me & said to watch it, but it would probably go away on it's own.  (She also said to not google it, because the info would scare me to pieces - that the info on the 'net was all about the bad things that CAN happen, not what usually happens!)  I posted on here asking about them & got basically the same info from Glengate & RGreen. 

I watched it - it grew quickly from 9x6 mm to about 22 mm plus he had another "appear" on his neck in February that grew to about 19 mm by mid-March.  Took him back to the vet - she was concerned by the size of the growths & that they had grown so quickly (2 months).  They were both...  angry-looking is the word that comes to mind.  Red, swollen, seeping - infected definitely!  So we made the decision to remove them, but had to get rid of the infection 1st - so a week of antibiotics & anti-inflamatories, then to the vet for surgery -  and that's a whole 'nuther story!

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I am guessing that he is doing well now?  Thanks for responding!

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OMG Marts.. I almost forgot about Brink's hists.. That was pre-lady wasn't it.. geez time flies when you have a Dobie. I remember the pics you posted. it was a worry.. and you did a great job keeping him as calm as you did.. You're a good mom!!

Blue4.. Just keep in mind that this too shall pass.. the things we worry about seldom occur and if they do, they're never as horrible as our imagination can conjure up. I was watching Sofia with a knuckle bone this morning.. chewing. arrrggg arrggging..( yeah.. all together now.. " it's a word") scared to death she was going to inhale it.. located my BBQ tongs just incase.. you know.. SOOOOO over protective.. I think God chooses women best suited to have little boys.. whether they have two legs or four.. You are blessed!

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That is so funny Lady Kate, because, being the paranoid girl I am, I see this spot on Reesie's rib that sticks out and seems shaped funny.  It's hard as bone, so I keep thinking, "what is that" then I read above from Dabbles and thought DON'T panic!

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Blue - all this happened almost a year ago, but yes, thank you - we all survived!

As far as the knot on Reesie's ribs, don't panic.  Just check - is it attached to his rib?  or can you move it around?  growing?  Do you have a post-neuter visit scheduled?  Bring it up to the vet while you're there.

Brinks has a knot on one rib-bone on each side - was noticeable when he was a pup, but not anymore.  MiLady has mal-formed ribs on her right side.  My vet took x-rays right after we got her from the rescue - said it looked like she had been kicked when a young puppy & the ribs didn't grow correctly after that...  (I saw RED when she told me that!  Some people should not be allowed within a mile of any animal!!) 

Some of our more knowledgeable members will know more about this than I, & can give you a "head's up" if needed.

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Sofia has sort of a floating rib.... it's at the end of her rib cage on the left and kinda bendy

and oh guess what I found on her today???

a tick. ick. I go over her with a fine tooth comb when she comes in from her runs.. this one had not connected to her.. was just sitting there waiting to take a chomp I guess.. ( we do flea and tick treatment every month) maybe it didn't like the way she tasted.. at any rate, I picked it off.. and sprayed her with some medicated smelly stuff and all is well. but you know what.. they can't tell us where they itch , or hurt, and even if they could.. they're so darn stoic, they wouldn't.. we HAVE to be extra vigilant.

Blue, can you take a picture of Reesies' side and post it? yes.. definately ask your vet at check up time.. It will put your mind at ease.

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Thanks!  I think I will.  I'll try to post one, if he will hold still long enough for me to get a decent pic.  Do divas give problems like that??  :-)