Color Dilution Alopecia

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Hello:

I am not sure if this has been talked about, I looked through several pages, but decided to just start fresh. My fawn suffers from CDA (she is a fawn) and has very dry skin, sores and very little fur. I was wondering if there are many other members dealing with this, I know it is a problem for the fawns and blues. Food and supplements, or coat lotions? Both of my dogs (one is a red, and her coat is beautiful) went in for their yearly, so I had the vet check for thryroid, just in case. I will know by tomorrow.

Also, since her fur is so thin, she will definitely have a problem being out in the sun this summer. Anyone ever use sunscreen on their dogs?

Thanks for the help.

Sburke33

here is one link you can look through that gives all kinds of links and things to help. http://www.seattle-attorney.com/storm/sup.html

We had a litter that produced 2 blues. Out of the 2 1 had coat problems the other did not. Do you know what the vWd status of your dog is just out of curiosity?

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VWD?

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 Von Willebrands Disease?  No signs so far ;)

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Start her on fish oil gel capsules 1000-1200 mg per capsule, twice a day.  This will help build up oils in her coat and help with the dry skin.  You should start seeing results in 2-3 weeks.  After I started giving my girl fish oil, her coat really started to shine.  Also, if no food allergies, sardines packed in water are not only a great treat but also work wonders for their coats.

I never had a problem with Echo's coat, however, there was a considerable difference to her coat in shine and softness after starting her on fish oil.  Crisco, and other oils also work, but I believe fish oil and the omega 3 fatty acids work the best. 

Also, have your vet check her out as he/she may have some good recommendations.

Good luck and keep us posted, woof from Echo.

Do you know if she is carrier, clear or affected is what im asking. The reason I ask is it seems to me from very limited experience but Ive started to keep track is the dogs that are carrier or affected seem to have a lower immune system and have more coat and other issues. Again just something I've noticed not rocket science by any means.

What dog food are you feeding right now. While you may be able to get away with feeding a lower quality food to a black or red, most fawns and blues you really need to feed high quality food and use supplements.

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No, I don't know.  Her mother was a fawn and dad a red, but I am not sure what the mother's status was.  Didn't do a lot of research when my daughter wanted a pup and decided on Fawn.  Although we love her dearly, I wouldn't go with a dlute again.  It's heartbreaking when she is chewing on herself and causing sores all over her body, due to the dry skin.  I feed her Natural Balance L.I.D. Duck and Potato due to my red having skin allergies when she was younger, and it cleared her up completely.  She now has a gorgeous coat (she is 10), so I decided to just feed the same, knowing that Fawns had some skin issues.  I was putting an oil supplement on her food (from pet stores) but after about the 3rd day, as soon as she ate, she ran out and vomited up the entire bowl, so I stopped that, in case it was too  much for her stomache.  I will try the fish oil tablets.  Thank you!  I have to call the vet this afternoon to find out if her thryoid is ok also.

Still trying to find out whether sunscreen would be ok, since her coat is so thin.  I am worried about her burning.

 

 

 

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Rather than putting a chemical on her, you could try a t-shirt?

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Agree with the t-shirt vice chemicals, good advice especially for sensitive skin.  Also MD's mention of immune system reminded me of another supplemenet/vitamin you should definitely try - echinacea.  I give it to Echo once daily and highly recommend it.  Echo had entropion and my vet wanted to see her back in 10 days for the stiches to come out, I brought her back in for an unrelated issue on the 7th day following her surgery, and he was litterally floored about how quickly she healed, he took the stiches out that day.  I credit that to the echinacea which helps support the immune system.

Here is the drug article in case you want to research echinacea.

http://http://www.drugs.com/mtm/echinacea.html

Also, I just give her the same fish oil gel caps and echinacea pills that are for human comsumption, you save money over the pet store supplements and they really are no different, just cost less.

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Thank you!  I thought about a tshirt, just seems hot to me :)  but I was also worried about her skin reaction to sunscreen.  All rountine bloodwork came back fine, including thryroid. :)

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Happy to know her thyroid is okay. Our Fawn has a thinning coat but so far no balding. Fish Oil Capsules do not agree with her either however I found a GNC product called Wild Salmon Oil that really helped the softness and shine. Dunno what the difference was.. it had a lot of Omega 3  in it.

I do put a little sunscreen on Sofia's nose as she does love to lay in the sun. I don't think a t-shirt will be too hot as they really don't have a lot of fur to worry about.

Good luck and I hope you find something that will ease her discomfort. Fawns are such incredible Dobermans.. I truly think they are almost a breed unto themselves.. so mellow, sweet and not unlike their namesake...

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Any Fawn Doberman CDA Owners,

I have a fawn doberman puppy and have plenty to say about him and the treatments we have tried so far.  However, more time needs to pass for me to say what works or doesn't.  In the meantime, could someone who has one older than a year, please comment as to whether things got better for them as they aged?  I have heard that may be the case but can find no posts anywhere saying that it gets better.  Specifically I'm looking to see if there is improvement in the frequency of staff infections as they age. I don't care if he loses his hair or not.  Cosmetic appearances don't concern me but the staff infections are just terrible.

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FawnLoverinAZ

Staph infections can be hard to get rid of. I don't have any experience with dilutes personally since I don't produce them, but any color Doberman can get staph infections.  The vet needs to know that it really takes about 30 continuous days of antibiotics to kick a staph infection in a Doberman - thankfully mine now gets this.... but I had to argue for it years ago. 

From what I have seen, the blues are more prone to CDA than fawns, but I've seen it in both colors and bald ones in both colors also - rescues where the only way to figure out their actual color was by nose leather color as they had no hair..  

The website given for blue Dobermans above, is a very good one.

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Hi Sburke33,


I have had 2 blues. My first girl Zandy had a beautiful full coat but was coarser than a Dobe with a black coat. She never had any staph infections or skin issues.

My second blue, Stella, had a nice coat until the age of one then her coat started thinning out and she had chronic staph infection due to a poor immune system, sores between her toes, and dry skin. I gave her Wild Alaskan Fish Oil in her meals all along. My first vet nearly killed her with prednisone and antibiotics. The prednisone nearly killed her after being on it for nearly a year trying to clear up the staph and in desperation I started seeing a holistic vet.

For a month we kept her on the antibiotics and Fitzmar is right it requires a full 30 days of antibiotics to kill the staph. My prior vet would have her on it 10 days then stop then restart 10 days later.

The holistic vet kept her on the Alaskan Salmon Oil and put her on a chinese herb called Bone and Sinew (chinese name is Zheng Gu Xu Jin Fang) made by Golden Flower Chinese Herbs....it was a miracle..... After a month on this product Stella's staph infections and open pistules on her back and tummy disappeared forever (she was on this product for the last 5 years of her life), her coat actually started growing back and she no longer had open sores between her toes...

While I love the blues and their unique color I will never have another one! Too many medical issues to count.


Good luck!

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I have a fawn Dachshund with CDA and since I had to work hard to help her with her coat, I had no worries bringing home a blue dobe knowing I could start her off right and hopefully never have problems.  If I knew what I know now for Lorelei (my doxie) she would have more fur I bet.

What I do for lore during the summer is a rash guard shirt.  They sell them at petsmart.  It is SPF 50 protection without the chemicals.

Lorelei's grooming regimine is apple cider vinegar and baking soda baths.  You dissolve an appropriate amt of baking soda in warm water, I use about 1/4c to a gallon of water, pour it over the fur and then brush with a soft bristle brush. I let her sit while I wash my hair LOL then rinse.  The second application is the same approx. mixture amts of ACV and warm water.  Same routine pour it over her and brush with a soft bristle brush. Again I let her sit while I put conditioner in my hair. We did 3mg of melatonin twice a day until her fur grew in.  And the last step that I swear was the winning factor was EMU OIL.  I ordered it off of amazon, pure emu oil about $30/bottle.  I would rub her down with that every day.  That meant baths a little more often because it made her a little stinky but it was AMAZING the results we got. 

It's my opinion that for dilutes a grain-free diet is a must!  We chose acana pacifica for Lorelei she was on that for close to a year and it's what we started Gunny (my blue dobe) on.  Now Lorelei is on a raw food diet and her fur has made even more improvement.  She may never have a full thick coat like most dogs but she is not bald by any means.  For treats I use appropriate raw bones from our butcher and I make my own dog cookies with coconut flour, the LOVE them.  If I'm being lazy I may buy some grain-free treats, but with all the food recalls I tend to worry about them.

Lore started losing her fur late fall last year and following that kind of regimine for her by our next vet appt the vet had no clue we had gone through all that through the winter.

For Gunny who has not had any coat problems yet I do things a little differently.  Her diet is TOTW pacific stream.  She gets melatonin if I see any bumps pop up. And her baths are done with Kalaya Emu oil Shampoo and then we use their spray on conditioner after the bath.  Following their instructions for both.  Her fur is thick and soft and shiny gorgeous!!!

I hope this helps.  It's a slightly less complicated routine and once lore's fur grew back and became diligent about eliminating grains she hasn't had to stay on the melatonin and we only put emu oil on after baths...it's safe for them to take internally too so she loves to lick it off my hands when I use it on me. LOL (Emu oil has some amazing healing properties! I can't sing it's praises enough!)

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My male 5/6 years old "red" has CDA. His coat isn't as thick and gorgeous as many other dogs. We seem to have it under control though. You can't cure this...you can only slow or control it. I give my guy 10mg melatonin 2x/day - with his food.  This might be something you could consider.  At one point I took him off grain thinking he might have allergies. He eats Nutrisca, Salmon & Chickpea. Turns out he is not allergic...but now this is what I'm feeding him. I've heard from other dog owners that hair loss can result from food allergies.

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I started adding egg, flax seed and salmon oil to my red boys food and in 2 weeks there's already a difference. His fur is growing thicker on his back and the dryness is going away. When I got him, it was dull and patchy on his back. His overall energy and wellness seems waaay better. He shines like my Frankie (black rust) girl now :)