14 replies [Last post]
S.D Fdo's picture
Offline
Joined: 2014-04-20

Hi there iam new to this site.... I have a female 9 months old doberman. and she is not well grown to its age. She is tall 18 inches (45cm). also she is very thin. I have supplied several vitamins ( B complex vetzime) and more. also she is daily fed with beef or chicken. She eats much. and i met one of my friend and he also got a doberman and its a male. it s aged 4 months and he is taller than my one and grown well. so is it comes from its generataion or ??? .

And i dont no what to do :( please keep a reply.

WNCDobes's picture
Offline
Joined: 2012-04-28

What does your vet say?  Are her parents small? 

S.D Fdo's picture
Offline
Joined: 2014-04-20

thanks for replying :) . In 4 months our vet recomended several vitamins And i did as he wished. uhh i have to say this. when she is 3 months she infected distemper and suffered a lot. all the treatments are done and she recovered with in 2 weeks. ate well played well etc. And parents also grown well her mother also not fat shaped body (much thin). father, he is 48KG weighted. Also vet says now its too late to grow-up well. :( she is daily fed with beef or chicken. and two B complex vitamins a day. ( http://www.petmeds.co.uk/Dogs/Dog-Health/Supplements/Herbal/Vetzyme-B-Pl... )

...........  thats all..........

I would say that if she is very thin then she isn't well fed - that is normally fairly simple. If all you are feeding her is meat and vitamins then she is not getting everything she needs.  I don't know where you live and what is available as far as quality dog food. 

At 9 months, she may still grow some - especially if she is behind due to the distemper. 

 

Can you post pictures of her?

Oz Dobe's picture
Offline
Joined: 2014-03-25

FWIW,

I had a doberman runt rescue. Had her from 8wo. Lived to be 13yo and was healthy all her life. She was 1/2 to 3/4 the size of my present dobe which is now 12mo.

My 12mo. did grow significantly between 9 and 12mo.

Rule of thumb - if you can see ribs, shes too thin. Also make sure you worm her regularly.

A friend of mine has a Dalmatian runt, and it is very small but very healthy. The point being- if your dog is a runt, it should be proportional. It should look exactly like the real deal, but only a little smaller. Weight should be healthy for its size. Hope that makes sense.

When you say you are feeding her beef and chicken, do you mean a RAW, or BARF type of diet? Or meat cuts from the butcher?

As Fitzmar mentioned, a pic would be really helpful.

S.D Fdo's picture
Offline
Joined: 2014-04-20

Thank you Oz Dobe. Yes i Worm her regularly. She seems very healthy by she playing running .she is very active girl. the problem is shes not well grown to her age. compairing with other same aged dogs she is very short and thin. No I never fed raw food. Otherwise she'll get tummy problems. Cooked meet i always used to feed her. but i stoped it now. I have to say this she have some light brown (similar to white) fur arround her neck. vet said it will loose by she gets old after 1 month. I gavemeat cuts from the butcher. but it washed well with salt water and boild for 25 mins.

 

 thank you.......

Oz Dobe's picture
Offline
Joined: 2014-03-25

Its a little hard to tell by that picture, but she seems to be doing ok. If you look at how fine her paws are, compared to her body size, they look about right.

She does have a fine build but shes not hollowed out, and we don't see any ribs. If she's running around happy and full of joy, I wouldn't worry. The distemper wouldn't have helped, but she was probably going to be fine anyway.

My old dobe was the same, and I considered it a huge bonus, I had the dobe nature in a smaller package. It made her a little more versatile in some ways. She would still guard, and protect, she just used a little more bluff than most other dobes lol.

I'll try to scan a pic or two, for you to get an idea of what I mean.

S.D Fdo's picture
Offline
Joined: 2014-04-20

Thank you for replying :)

 And I really worry about her Weight. As I post earlier comment Some Dobermans in her age they are well grown (height and weight) I feed 2 times in a day. The picture that i posted it shows that she is too thin. Some of others advise is she dont get fat because she is always running and playing. But I 100% dont agree with them. yes some times she is agrasive to others. All the time I use to chain her. but some times she is little nervious to other when some one speak with a hard voice to her. I loved to train her aggrasively mean like K-9 lol :D . So I hope she will be more aggrasive to others after 1yr.

 

thank you...

Oz Dobe's picture
Offline
Joined: 2014-03-25

S.D.Fdo,

Your dog is very lucky to have survived Canine Distemper. CDV is a really serious illness, with long term physical and neurological effects. I would think carefully before encouraging your dog to show aggression.

It sounds to me that you are looking for a protection dog, and wishing it so, for your girl, is not going to make it happen. If you try to make her into something shes not and never going to be, it is going to ruin the bond between you. You might even cause fear aggression in an otherwise happy healthy dog, which would be a crying shame.

Your dog, sounds to me, like she will make a fantastic companion dog. If you develop this potential in her, I'm sure you will find years of pleasure in your relationship. She still has the beautiful dobe personality and all their fantastic traits.

Your vet has done his/her job well to get your dog through this, and you have friends who think she's doing ok. There's a great support network there for you both. Your feeding her as well as you can and you've got her through a really rough time in her life, it would be a shame to not value all that effort on everyone's part, which has made your dog a survivor. She is really going to love you for it, if you don't try to make her into something shes not.

If you really want a protection dog, perhaps you need to look at getting another dobe which will fit your requirements better.

In the meantime, maybe just focus on your basic obedience, and a few tricks. Don't be too hard on her, and I'm sure you wont regret it.

talisin's picture
Offline
Joined: 2011-02-25

I am confused - you mention a chain and wanting aggression??? why

A dog that loves you will know when you need help and when you don't, and if they run the other way it's because they are scared, dogs are not machines to protect us they are alive and have feelings and need to be accepted with the personality that they bring with them from birth. If you want family protection get pepper spray or a tazer, don't expect or depend on another living being to do that job for you. If they choose to protect you on their own that's great, but forcing it on them is asking for trouble. A trained guard dog is also a loaded weapon, you have to know how to put the safety on and off in an instant and be prepared for the consequences if you screw up....

What is the job you want your dog to perform??? Your dog will automatically bark when someone comes to the door, etc. what other alarm do you need??? and what is the chain for and when????

S.D Fdo's picture
Offline
Joined: 2014-04-20

hi Talisin. Dont try to misunderstand me. I didnt mean a such thing. I just loved to do that. thats why i told like that. Yeah I know dogs are not a machine to protect us. But she is bred as a guard dog. Even persons who cares about dobes they knows well about that thing. 

thank you.

S.D Fdo's picture
Offline
Joined: 2014-04-20

@OZ dobes. :) :) I agree to your adivices. Also basic tricks and training done since she brought here. its the hard time i ever had training her. before her i had my second dog its a mix, dachound and cockerspaniel. its a he . he trained well than dobe and easy too. :) . hope she will be perfect than him. also they are good friends. she always try to pull fur and play.

 thank you

talisin's picture
Offline
Joined: 2011-02-25

still confused, "bred as a guard dog" what do you mean?? and what's the chain for?? trying to understand you and your dog.....

Oz Dobe's picture
Offline
Joined: 2014-03-25

As I mentioned, CDV affects the brain as well as the body, and it could be that Shalby has some form of developmental delay. This could be the reason why she is difficult to train, and for this reason I would not try to train this dog in protection/shutzhund in any form. She's simply too unstable.

Shalby is probably not going to be like other dogs due to her close shave with Distemper. She needs to be treated with great patience and understanding. Dont shout at her, that will probably just cause her to shut down without learning what her infraction has been. Its likely that she will shut down faster than other dogs, so kind words and positive reinforcement are an absolute must.

I have recently had to give up volunteering at my local Animal Welfare League centre after a 3yr stint due to other commitments, and I came across a few dogs and cats with developmental delays. These animals require special attention and plenty of leeway to make mistakes. They can all be happy functioning companions if they are treated with great care and allowances are made for their needs.

I believe a healthy dog needs to be trained to fit into the environment, but dogs with disabilities may need some changes in the environment to fit into the needs of the dog. You may need to be prepared to make some changes around your home to accommodate any future issues.

So basic obedience, lots of (non aggressive) play, plenty of exercise - watch her pads though because these can dry out due to the after effects of CDV- and lots of love. No harsh words to her. And, yeah, please lose the chain.

Be mindful with her diet, as the enamel in the teeth can be affected also.

Please learn all you can about CDV in order to help Shalby as much as you can.

Max's Dad's picture
Offline
Joined: 2013-01-16

First off, you're training her to be a guard dog, okay. But has she been evaluated? Not every Doberman is meant to be a guard dog, wether or not the breed was created for that. 

If you're saying she was timid with a chain, then why continue with the chain? You NEVER want a dog to just be aggressive for the sake of being aggressive. It's damaging what EVERYONE on this forum is trying to get rid of. Most people will be scared of a Dobermann, regardless if it's mean or not. 

So don't train her carelessly, you'll regret it in the long run. They will naturally become more aggressive over time. It's something you have to contain, not exploit.

Please, do your research a little more before you continue what you're doing.

By the way, what country are you from? Just curious to see what area we're working with..