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Ok, so our new boy Tauchey is doing really great in all things...except the crate.  He hated being in it the moment we first put him in.  We give a treat and tell him to go to bed.  He would whine and cry for a bit, then settle down.  Sunday night was our first really good nite, he went right to sleep and didn't make a peep until I got him up in the morning.  Last night however, was horrible!  I did the same thing I always do, toss the treat in the crate, and tell him to go to bed, when he gets in I praise him, then I go to bed.  He not only cried and whined but barked all night long :(  He did wake my son, not my daughter tho, and I couldn't sleep from hearing him.  Now I have read that when you crate train you shouldn't get them out when they are behaving like this.  That's why I didn't go to him.  But I think I may have made a mistake by not getting him.  When I got him out this morning, he had pooped in his crate.  He had a potty break before I put him in there and he did both duties.  Could he have pooped in their due to stress?  I just feel so horribly guilty right now :(

I have his crate in the living room because there is no room in my bedroom.  I do want to move him to my room tho eventually.  I leave a nite lite on, and some soft music in the background for him.  Please let me know what I should have done, so if this happens again, i'll be better prepared.  Thanks for your help :)

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How did you introduce him to the crate.... I know crate training is supposed to be a gradual thing. (which I do not understand because what are you supposed to do while your puppy is getting used to the crate) As in put puppy in for increasing amounts of time...  I use a crate for my girl and she did not like the idea in the beginning.  A few things that helped was I had a wire crate so i bought a cover which she liked... made it more den like i guess... make sure your puppy is tired before bedtime.. one last romp or quick game of fetch normally does the trick when they are still young.. 
About the nighttime crying... Does your puppy whine different for different reasons?  I know when Soleil is complaining or protesting she makes a different whine then the "Mom I got to potty let me out of here" whine.  If you are unsure... take your dog out (maybe on leash) tell puppy the magic potty word give puppy about 10-15 minutes. No play time only a  potty break.  If puppy goes praise them and right back inside to the crate with a good puppy and goodnight.  If puppy does not go bring your boy back inside and to the crate.  This worked for my girl. Especially as it got colder at night and she did not want to be out unless she had to go.
How old is your puppy? If he is still young it is understandable that he could not "hold it" all night.  Accidents do happen...

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He was born on May 3.  He stays in his crate at nite on average 6 to 7 hours.  This was our first accident in the crate.  I do make sure that he has relieved himself before I put him.  We introduced him to the crate by putting in familiar things, and a treat, when he walked in we praised him.  But when it was time for bed, we had to put him in it for the night.  He did great Sunday night, that's why i'm confused about his actions last night.  I'm wondering what the difference was from one night to the next.  I think you might be on to something tho about making him tired.  He still had a lot of energy left in him before I put him to bed. 

Next time, should I go get him after so long?  I really don't want him to think that if he barks long enough I will come get him, but at the same time, I don't want him to poop on himself.  He seems to be a bit nervous today, I don't know if he is picking up on my tension from lack of sleep, or if I traumatized him with the crate incident last night :(

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It sounds like you have introduced him to the crate just fine... I am not saying get him out of his crate right away if he is fussing... please don't get me wrong.... but a long time has gone by and he is still putting up a fuss and he is normally pretty good with the crate... then maybe a quick potty break might be all he needs.  -
don't let him trick you into playing if you take him out though.. it is only for doing his duty and then going back to bed.  If he gets out won't go potty and starts engaging you in play bring him right back inside and tell him goodnight. 
My pups learned "bedtime" as a command. Dobies are smart and they can pick up on how you feel so don't be nervous about tonight.. Its a brand new night and he might be fine tonight. 

Maybe this is not the right way to teach your dobie i am just letting you know what worked for me
1.  Tire out puppy
2.  If after a long time fussing try another potty break (No Play, just potty)
3.  say goodnight and its crate time

...Good Luck!

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Good advice Soleil. I can't think of much to add.

I wouldn't worry too much about it sindelina. He probably just had a big poop - happens to the best of us. If he usually is good in the crate, noise usually means something is up. Soleil is right about the sound they make, it's usually different for potty breaks than just being demanding.

The most obedient dogs have accidence. Drayko, our male, he is a little too obedient. I trained him to stay in his crate and stay quiet unless there's trouble. One morning I woke up to some soft whining and found him standing is a big puddle of pee for who knows how long. he was over a year old then. I know to listen for that soft whine now... ;)

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Ok, last night, same thing :(  I made sure that I played with him and did some training before bed so he was nice and tired.  I sent him to bed with his treat, and the barking started.  I waited about 30 minutes, took him out, and he did both duties again, and he had just done them before I put him in the crate too.  So I thought, ok good!  He just really had to go again.  So back to bed....back to barking pretty much all nite long.  He will soon be 5 months old, so I am thinking he should be able to hold it for at least a few hours at night.  Well, I get him out this morning, he had peed and pooped (but very very little).  His barking seems to be frustration (if that's possible).  I can understand that accidents will happen, but his barking at nite is very persistent. 

He was never this upset about the crate until Monday night.  Sunday was awesome!  The other days, some whining and slight barking, but he stopped rather quickly.  Do you think I should try putting him in the crate more thru the day?  I only put him in there at night right now. 

Thanks again for all your help everyone - Amy

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You might want to try going back to the the basics with the crate training.  You said the crate is not in your bedroom... is it open all day? Does he go in it voluntarily?  If you leave the door open does he just run out... I know Soleil put up a fuss for a while before she she finally resigned herself  that it was bedtime.  Have you always used the crate a night every night since you got him? I know you leave music and a nightlight on... maybe you should try something else.  I have heard that a ticking clock is comforting (heartbeat like) and also a towel or old t-shirt with your scent on it.  Something to cuddle with... does he destroy toys? The Kong Wubba the soft fuzzy one was Soleils bedtime toy and she used to snuggle with it all night. But it is not a toy for dogs who destroy things... *I hesitate to suggest this because I don't like leaving my dogs with anything but rock solid nylabones when I am not with them* Does he have a doggie bed? What size crate are you using?  Sorry for so many questions I am just trying to understand your situation...
If all else fails...  you could get earplugs ;)

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Yes I do leave it open all day, he has walked in it maybe three times on his own, and comes right back out.  He doesn't destroy toys, so when I put him to bed he has his blankie, a nylabone and soft chew toy.  We have a large sized crate, so he has room to walk in and turn around.  But it is a little spacious I guess.  Do you think I should use the divider in it?  That wouldn't give him hardly any room tho.  I left it out so that he could have room to easily go from one side to the other if he wanted too.  I do think you are right tho, I need to start over again.  We got him last Wednesday, and have put him in the crate every nite.  He did ok, but it has turned terrible.  He just seems really stressed to be in there.  I feel bad for him and want to help him like his crate.

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Well the popular opinion on crates is they should have enough room to get in turn around and lay down comfortably... if you give them too much room they might end up having a potty corner. Also they like cozy crate rather then huge one cause it makes them feel more protected... it goes back to that den thing.  My Soleil grew like a weed and although i used the divider in the very beginning she quickly out grew it.  Do you have a divider that can be used anywhere in the crate or does it just split it in half?

  Have you tried sitting with your puppy when he is in the crate and telling him what a good boy he is when he is quiet?  I would try a blanket or t-shirt with your scent on it.  Especially since you are in a different room and Dobies are the ultimate Velcro dogs.  Good Luck.

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Yeah we just put the divider in it.  I'm also going to put his favorite sleeping pillow in there with him.  It's one we've had a long time, and he's been sleeping on it ever since we brought him home.  I've tossed a couple treats in there today, and praised him each time he went in to get it.  I think we are gonna move the crate to our bedroom tonight and see how that goes.  We are planning on turning the foyer area (where he is now) into more of an enclosure for when we are gone by putting up a baby gate.  My husband is going to take a nite off work tonight (he works 3rd) to help me out. 

I have another quick question.  I have heard that laser pointers are a good way to play with your dogs...then I heard that it can cause them to develope OCD?  Anyone else use them, not use them?  We don't have one yet because I wanted to get the thoughts from people on here.  Thanks! :)

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The enclosure area thing worked well for my dog when she was a puppy.  We used the kitchen and a baby gate but make sure everything is puppy proof.  They can get into an amazing amount of trouble when you are not looking.  I remember coming home to find puppy paw prints on the kitchen table and counter one day.  I still am unsure how she got up there or down safely.  Another day i came home to find a mess of shredded tissue paper that she was having a blast ripping up.  She managed to unwrap the wine bottles on the top shelf of the wine rack.  The bottles were about 4 feet over head but she still managed somehow...  and she did not break a single bottle causing all the trouble... Ohh I am starting to miss the naughty puppy days ::).... Sorry i digress...
Laser pointers... well i know cats love them but I can't see a dog being all that interested.  My two love a good old fashioned game of fetch with the tennis ball....

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We are working on fetch with him, but as of yet he doesn't seem to be too interested in it.  But that should change with some training.  I'm really proud of him, he's doing so great in all areas with the exception of the crate.  But we'll keep trying :)  I'll let ya know how tonight goes!

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Well tonight is not going well.  It's 1:30am, and he won't even go near the crate.  I know that I can't force him in, so I am at a loss.  I don't have anything to block off an area of the house with either.  I have no idea what I am going to do.  We have to travel to my son's football game this evening, so he'll be alone for about 5 hours (if I could take him with me I would).  I think tonight all I can do is stay with him, sleep when he's sleeping, take him out to potty when he wakes up and hope for the best.  He hasn't had an accident in the house in 6 straight days.  He's very good about letting us know he has to potty.  I worry that if I am not watching him or alert enough, he'll just go in the house, then all my and his hard work is down the drain.  :(