Some General Training Concerns

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Hi, I am the owner of a 9 1/2 week old doberman, named Eli. He is a bundle of joy and I love him to death. Being someone who loves to be educated, I have joined the community in hopes of recieving some pointers. Any information would be greatly appreciated. I have just a few concerns today!

First, I am trying to establish the dominant position in the relationship and my vet (who owns dobermans) reccomended that I try "Don Sullivans The Perfect Dog." This training system involves the use of a plastic pinch collar for essentially all corrections. Has anyone ever used this system, and at this age? I am worried that this will make him an aggressive Doberman, which is the last thing I want. 

Second, there is also an 8 year old female dog at my house, whom Eli loves to play with. However, when we are playing outisde, Eli will not repsond to me at all. Whether its just trying to get him to look my way or even stop doing something. I am worried that the older dog will fill this dominant position that I spoke of above. Should this be a concern or is it simply a puppie's ADHD?

Lastly, potty training is going okay as I am able to take him out very regularly and in the same spot. But the play biting is becoming an issue. I've read multiple ways on how to diminish/correct play biting, and I even tried one way that was mentioned in Don's Sullivans tactics; but then he became aggresive towards me (growling and going back towards my hand with a forceful, non-playing bite). What is the best way to correct play biting without enticing aggresiveness but also seeking to achieve the dominant position?

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Welcome to the forum! What you are experiencing is all absolutely normal dobie puppy lifestyle:) 

The biting is sometimes known as "dobershark". We always gave a stern no, then give a toy that is ok to chew on. A lot of people here say frozen wash cloths. We used a combo of ice cubes, chew toys and frozen stuffed kongs (we used a little PB with some kibble). I try to think of them like toddlers. They are teething and it's not comfortable!

As far as playing with the older dog, I would start with having the puppy on leash. They love the training! Let the older dog play free and give commands to puppy and treat or praise for listening.  Then let puppy of leash. Continue same commands with same treat or praise.

Eli is still young and is learning and growing so fast. Keep him busy not only physically but mentally! Lots of pictures too :) before you know it he will be a big doberteen!!

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Haha I love the response! Thank you so much for the information. I just want what is best for him and also for me. I will for sure implement these tactics.

You have some good looking Dobies by the way! I'll be sure to post some pictures of Eli

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Keep it short and simple with the training sessions and establish your household rules and be consistent it. As for a correction collar he's to young and right now is all about play. He's just a baby. I only did 5 min short simple training session throughout the day and made it more play oriented so he was wanting to engage. Once he about 4 months old I introduced a training slip lead for corrections and learning leash work, at 6 months old he was introduced to the prong collar and we went from there. Best way to obtain the leadership role is by rules, boundaries and consistentcy. Once he has all of his shots it's important to start socializing him and such a group puppy class is good for this, but I never went to one I just took him everywhere with me. 

As for the biting lol yep the dobershark is in full force during teething buy it calms down. I did as banes momma and would give a stern no and redirect to a toy. They get it eventually. I also used ice cubes, made popscilces, frozen wash cloths, and frozen Kong yummies to keep those little needles off me. 

Potty training just take him out frequently and praise when he goes potty outside. Crate training is a good way to help with potty training :)

 

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Such great information. Thank you so much. I guess I'm just jumping the gun a little bit. Luckily I have plenty of time and energy to take Eli with me almost everywhere as well. I can't thank you enough for your response.

PS. You have a beautiful dobie.   

 

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Sounds as if you're doing just great... Welcome to the Forum!! It's a pleasure to meet you and we look forward to watching Eli grow.. ( but please not too quickly.. how we adore the pups here!!)

Saludos from Mexico

Katie, Sofia and Bella

 

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Thank you for the welcome! I feel right at home here with you all, and I am very excited for the future conversations.

Im trying to keep him young, but my gosh he is growing like a weed. Went to the vet last week (9 weeks) for a check up and he weighed 18.9 lbs. We went back today (10 weeks) to pick up some food and now he's sitting pretty at 20.1 lbs. He is going to be a big ole boy, but very sweet. He has such a great personality. Thank you all! Ps. Love your dogs!! :)

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oh I'm there with ya! my boy is 20+ weeks and he is getting much better with the Dobershark (dobergator at our house)! Remember he's just a baby, patience and persistance pays off, but not immediatly :). We are just sleeping through the night! Thank the Good LORD!

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I think you're taking this dominance thing far too seriously.  You're the owner, you provide the food, you are dominant.  I've never once played these silly "dominance games" trying to prove something to my puppies or dogs.  I'm the one in charge.  I just am.  They know it.  Most dogs are not dominant dogs and don't wish to be dominant dogs so I'm not sure why people are so worried about it. 

Of course Eli is not responding to you outside when he's playing with your other dog.  He's bonding to her and she is way more interesting to him than you at this point.  You need to work separately with him on things like coming when called.  She is just too much of a distraction right now.  You can also use her to help train him.  If she will reliably come when called, call *her* so that he comes along with, have treats in your pocket and become a treat-dispensing machine when they both come. 

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You have definitly come to the right place for advice!! All of us vary on how we do it and all the dogs her are amazing!! Eli is SOOOOO CUTE!!! I agree. Dominance is not really a taught thing. You are the boss and he will just know it :) 

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Haha thank you for the response. Luckily, Eli loves him some sleep so we havent had any trouble sleeping through the night! 

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I see, thank you for the response. I guess I was just getting too far ahead of myself. That is really good advice and I will surely implement it. Thank you

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All of ya'lls advice is great. Thank you for the kind words and the reassurance. Your dogs are good looking as well!