Night time potty training

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My husband and I have 2 different views on this particular issue and wondered if anyone can provide input.

Our dober pup will be 12wks this Wednesday and wakes up about every 3hrs at night crying.  Even tho our pup has proven during the day he can hold it up to 5hrs (my dad forgot to come over and let him out on Friday) But none the less our pup can go 4hrs.
My husband think at night if he wakes at 3hrs we shouldn't let him out, we should be teaching him to sleep longer and "hold it."

I disagree, I think we should still take him out regardless if it's been 3hrs or even if it's been 2hrs.
Who's right in this situation?

Thx!! Kim

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When we were training Harley, he would go about every 3-4 hours during the day and night. When he got to the point during the day that he was holding it for longer periods of the day he would still go out every 3 - 4 hourse at night. 

I continued to let him out at that 3hour mark every time he cried every night until eventually he just stopped crying at night. It will happen. I think be patient and in about 3 months time you will have your nights back :) IMO anyway.

Andre is just over 12 wks and he sleeps in a crate at night. He goes all night without having to potty. We usually go to bed between 10 and 11pm (last time out to potty around 9:30-10pm) and we usually get up around 8-8:30am. He has never had an accident or whined to go out in the middle of the night. His crate is right beside my bed so if he whined I would hear it. Do you leave your pup have access to water until bedtime? I usually pull Andre's water around 8:30-9pm. Give it some time. Puppies can develop at different rates. If he isn't really to hold it thru the night now, he will be soon. Part of crate training is it does teach them to hold it, but if he really has to go potty I would take him out. You don't want him learning to go in his crate (if you're using a crate).

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At K-Tron, Dozer does not have access to water at night. I think the last time I also give him water is around 8:30ish, and yes we are using a crate. And go figure, last night he slept from 10p - 4am without ever waking up :) I know it will be spratic, like I'm sure tonight he will go to bed at 10p and wake up at 1am-2ish.

But when we went out at 4am, he still woke again at 6am. Him waking again around 6am could stem from him being hungry. During the week I get up pretty early (5am) to feed him and get myself ready for work. I did take him back out at 6am anyways.

His daddy (my husband) comes back from a 6 day ski trip today, and I am soooo looking forward to having the additional help with Dozer. It's really hard being a single dober-pup mom :) But Dozer and I had a lot of great bonding time together!!

Glad to hear you are having some progress :) It's great that you and Dozer got to have some bonding time! I agree, being a single dober-pup mom (I'm a single human mom too) definitely has its challenges, but I wouldn't have it any other way :) My child and my dog are my life. Just be patient with Dozer. If he's used to getting up at 5-6am it may be difficult to change his internal alarm clock. As far as him waking during the night, I don't know what to tell you about that. Do you think he is capable of holding it all night? In the past when I have house trained my puppies if they aren't holding it on their own by 14-16wks and I know they are CAPABLE of holding it all night, I stop taking them out in the middle of the night. I once had a chihuahua/cocker mix puppy who was also holding it thru the night from 10pm-8am by 12wks. Other puppies I've had couldn't hold it thru the night until closer to 15 or 16wks. So, I guess it depends on the dog :)   

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I would let him out every time he cried to go out.....if you don't and he has an accident you've just taken a step back in your house-breaking.  If you take him out and he doesn't pee right away but starts to play, then he goes back in immediately.   

 

Now, that being said...we have never crated Rocky at night.  We got him at 10 weeks and I slept beside my bed on the floor.  He would wake up 2-3 times a night for the first week or two crying, not because he wanted out but because he was alone.  I would reach down and touch him and he would be calmed and go back to sleep.  If he actually got up off his bed to walk around, then I new he had to go potty.  He didn't cry when he had to go potty he would just get up and walk off his bed.   The first couple weeks it was 1-2 times a night - by about 15 weeks old it was maybe once a night and after about 20 weeks it was rare for him to need out at all. 

 

So in a way your husband has the right idea because he may not NEED out but just want to know you're near...but until you are confident it's not a potty break that's needed I'd continue to take him out. 

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Ditto what the others said. His retention ability will improve over time, but don't try to force it. Gideon was the same way and now he goes all night and then some. He's a lazy bones in the morning.

I'm new here, and I have a similar but slightly diffrent issue with my baby girl.  She can and does hold it all night.  However, she'll whine in the middle of the night sometimes, and I get up to take her outside, so that she doesn't have an accident in her kennel.  Well she refuses to go outside unless I MAKE her (picking her up and taking her out), and generally that just manages to wake her up fully and she wants to play.  We've been having some cold nights the last few nights, and there is NO WAY she is going outside unless I pick her up and take her out.  In the morning, or when it's warm and I ask her if she wants to go out she perks up and goes to the kennel door.  Up until yesterday we had been accident free since bringing her home almost a week ago .... well my son took her out to potty and she went number 1, but not number 2 and he assumed she was done, and brought her in the house to let her play.  And being a teenage boy was not watching her, and she went number 2 in the house, since then we've had a couple more accidents (number 2), she has always done number 1 outside. 

I told my son that if he wants to help with the puppy, that he needs to be responsible for her when he's suppose to be watching her.  Am I in for a huge ordeal to correct this behavior, or where do we need to go from here?

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Tabiann, I don't have any advice on dealing with a teenage boy, but I wanted to say welcome to the forum and you have awesome names for your dogs!  Good luck with your new puppy, you are in for an adventure!

LOL, was actually asking about potty help for Sage, I'm pretty sure there is no help for teenagers.  ;)

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Apollo was the same as K-Tron's Andre. He would go about every few hours during the day but at night while kenneled up, he left us alone. Bed time for us was about 12:30 and his last time out was about 11:00. He usually wakes us up around 6:30 and goes out then eats. I think it's just patience as of now, he will elarn that night time is bed time. My wife and I noticed that Apollo new it was sleep time once the house alarm was turned on. IF the house alarm doesn't get turned on and he is crated, he will make a fuss and play with his toys etc., but once he hears that alarm he lays down and goes to sleep until the a.m. Maybe you can find something to associcate bedtime with?

That's interesting, EPApollo, that you mention that your dog associates the house alarm being turned on with bedding down for the night. Andre's association with  going to bed for the night is having his collar removed. His crate is still in my bedroom and his tags jiggling around when he moves keeps me up at night, so I remove his collar every night right before going to bed. He knows it's time for bed when I take his collar off. He goes right up and lays down in his crate. That's a good suggestion to try to find something that Dozer's pup can associate with bedtime :)

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Hi Kim welcome to the Forum.. I agree with Sian ( of Harley fame) . your puppers' names are awesome.. I also agree that I have absolutely ZERO advice re: teenage boys, however I think everyone should  be on the same page ( God how I hate that expression) re: training.

You'll find a lot of posts on this wonderful forum regarding that very issue.. most of the time it's the Mom's wanting to string up the Dads .... but I digress.

Good luck with your Dozer.. and personally I think you're absolutely right... Dozer is only 12 weeks old. that's just a teeniest tiniest baby... he has no clue how to 'hold it' any more than a 7 month old child would.

He should be carried outside every half hour to thirty mins.. TOLD, not asked, to 'go potty' and when he does.. ( eventually) you say " Yay!! Good boy!!!!.. you make a HUGE to do over this 'miraculous event.' Dance the 'pee pee dance ' in your nightie and wave to the neighbors as they'll all be gathered at the windows to watch this amazing spectacle..

Love all the pictures of all your dogs.. what a great family you have.. we look forward to many more stories and adventures of all of you...

Kate and Sofia

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Hi Everyone! I'd like to say thank you to all your wonderful posts. They truly helped me get a grip on puppy potty training. It had been 15 years since my last pup (and she was dobe too!) but you tend to forget everything :)

Dozer is now 4.5mos old and a "healthy" 43.5lbs!! And he is the biggest mama's boy in the world...I love it! He had been much better with potty training. We eventually moved his nightime crate upstairs into our room and next to my side of the bed. 1st night we did that, he slept over 8hrs.

He still has his occassional accicent in the house if he has been playing really hard. He forgets that he has to go, and goes a little bit, we catch him and take him immediately outside. And he has been good about letting us know when he has to go. Dozer has been barking more when he needs to go. Sometimes we miss the signal and think he's just being a puppy.

Thanks for your wonderful advise! I love this website and am always looking for answers to my questions! You rock!

Kim & Dozer :)

P.S. I will post some new pics soon, he is such a big boy now!!

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Hi, we are new to the forum too! We recently started putting Jax in the crate @ nights he will be 6months tomorrow. We've had him since he was 8weeks , he always slept in the bedroom in his own bed by the door and we had pee pads in place. Jax can hold his pee in the crate now for up to 6 hours, but will only hold it outside the crate for 3??????.

He's not allow to sleep in the bedroom right now, because he wakes us up every 2hr to play??? We thought is was to be takin out. So the crate is in the living room.... He moans and groans, for a few miniutes.

I started him out in the crate with a no barking collars because he would bark like crazy.(we are city folks living in a 4 unit flat with neighbors who have dogs too but still) but then I couldn't sleep because I felt guilty about the collar. I soon got over that, once I  realizes I could have a good night sleep after 3months......shhhhh now I put the collar on without the battery in it....lol He just sees the collar coming and he know no barking. He's smart, but I'm clever.

I don't mind him barking outside the crate, because the neighbors dogs get him going and he lets us know when someone is at the front and back doors. Which in the future will make me feel good when I leave him and the wife to travel for work. My previous rottweiler was awesome a taking care of home while I was away.

I just can't wait for the day where I can leave him to roam the house ALL day, I feel like he's in the crate more then he is out of it. When we are home with him we take him out every 2-3 hrs, because he doesn't let us know when he has to go.....he just goes if we are not watching his EVERY move.....which is impossible. If we catch him we say "NO" he stops mid pee and runs to the door.....so we know he can hold it. IS he just being lazy...

I don't know how we would have survived without the crate....its a great training tool. I wished we would have had him in there sooner.....he has never really liked it, but I think now he knows it part of his daily regime.