Help! My two dobermans won't stop fighting

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I have 2 dobermans ages 2 and 3, both are male, they both keep having really bad fights that the younger one starts. And once we had to bring one to the vet er. They Play fight all the time. They are both neutered and they have about 2 acres of property to be on. I don't want to have to get rid of one so what do I do?

Update: Thank you all for your advice, and while it was a hard decision, I have decided to relocate one of our dogs. Again thank you all for your advice

As they are both young, I would plan on rehoming one. The fighting will most likely not improve, and keeping the seperate is stressful and difficult..... and basically an accident waiting to happen. 

The first thing I would do is contact the breeder of both dogs and see if they will take one of them back. 

This sounds like a classic case of same sex aggression and is very common in Dobermans. No reputable breeder would even sell you another male when you have a male already.  I'm sorry you are going through this - it really is a breed thing, and neutering most often does not help. 

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As they are both young, I would plan on rehoming one. The fighting will most likely not improve, and keeping the seperate is stressful and difficult..... and basically an accident waiting to happen. 

The first thing I would do is contact the breeder of both dogs and see if they will take one of them back. 

This sounds like a classic case of same sex aggression and is very common in Dobermans. No reputable breeder would even sell you another male when you have a male already

 

How in the hell is it then that so many people out there have MULTIPLE Doberman households and have no issues?

Answer: Because they know how to raise and train dogs where you do NOT...

The 'no reputable breeder' crap is funny as well. Either of the last couple of breeders I bough pairs from have forgot more about Dobermans than you will ever learn in your lifetime. 

The guy needs a Veterinary Behaviorist to help him out here - Not a non-trainer ninny giving him crap advice. (insert angry face here)

There are those that CAN and those that CAN'T. Personally - I never take advice from people that fall into the 'CAN'T' group. That is definitely NOT how you learn.

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I have 2 dobermans ages 2 and 3, both are male, they both keep having really bad fights that the younger one starts. And once we had to bring one to the vet er. They Play fight all the time. They are both neutered and they have about 2 acres of property to be on. I don't want to have to get rid of one so what do I do?

Over at DVM360 I believe they still have a video library up and and at one point had a few videos by Veterinary behaviorists pertaining to dog aggression in multii dog homes.

Personally, If I needed help and could not afford to hire a behaviorist or experienced trainer that is where I would be looking for some insight.

Hard if not impossible to give you more detailed advice without knowing more about your training methods and particular circumstances surrounding your issues. Your post is about as vague as getting online and asking for help with your car and only saying that 'It is making a funny noise'...

 

 

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I also would like to mention that the one that starts almost all the fights was attacked by a neighbor dog as a pup and he almost died. So could that have anything tho do with this?

Doberman Guy - I do know how to train dogs and don't appreciate you being an ass about this - I don't know why you persist in this.  I am perfectly capable of training my dogs to be more than conformation show dogs - it just isn't my main area of focus. If you think that show dogs are all untrained hoolagins, I'd challange you to try it.  I've also put plenty of basic rally/obedience titles on my dogs.... have now had 3 therapy dogs and put CGC's on all my dogs. Mabel is just waiting for a CGC evaluation.... which will now be awhile. Just because I've had Dobermans with dog aggression does not mean I can't train them.... 

I have a 12 year old male Doberman that will not now (at age 12) and never has tolerated other male dogs - this IS the breed - dog aggression in Dobermans is NOT a fault. It is fairly common.   My boy is well trained and could always stand ringside at a dog show on a little show lead with 10 other intact males (he is neutered now).... as long as everyone kept a close watch on their boys.... we don't let them lock eyes. Show people are very good at handling their intact dogs. Sure, sometimes you get males that get along (until someday they too often decide that the other male must die).  Dobermans are not the only breed that has same sex aggression.  I've had two sets of bitches over the years that also have same sex aggression - I handle it, but it is NOT fun to constantly have to be on guard.  My current set of girls cannot run the yard together anymore - they are 6 years apart in age and it didn't matter. It's not a training issue, its a breed issue.  If you have never experienced it, then bully to you. 

One of the biggest issues, is that when they get into a fight, it is seriously dangerous.  They are so focused on the fight, that they WILL bite you and possibly seriously injure you with no intention or realization that they have hurt you. Even well trained dogs that would NEVER even rumble at their person any other time.  I know of multiple GOOD dog people who have been injured trying to break up a fight between two of their own dogs. This is no joke.  I've broken up fights between two 70 pound bitches and can't even imagine trying to break up a fight between two 90 pound males. 

I don't give the advice to rehome one male lightly. I give it with many years of experience in this breed and the combined knowledge of many long time reputable Doberman people. Conformation people/breeders, top level competitive performance people, and behaviorists.  

Take the advice or don't .... its not my dogs or my skin. 

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My sister in law had 2 male dobies that were littermates and were actually from a litter that her female had right there at her house. They were raised together from day 1. They got along great with each other until they turned 2 years old, more or less.  Then one or the other would start a fight almost every time they were in the same room together. The fights got more violent as the dogs got older. They tried everything to 'teach' the dogs to get along, or at least not fight.  The dogs literally spent the last 10 years of their lives being separated..one could be in the family room while the other stayed in the bedroom or in the garage, then they would switch places.  They never could get along.  It was hard on both dogs, and horrible on my in-laws.  They loved both dogs and could not bear to part with either of them, so they played musical chairs for 10 solid years with these two males.  Kind of sad all the way around.

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CGC's on all my dogs. Mabel is just waiting for a CGC evaluation....

 

If a dog is breathing and does NOT bite anybody you can easily get a...

 

You have 3 Dobermans currently correct? And even though at least a pair of them are the same sex they get along fine because why? 

Answer: Because you half ass know what you are doing as far as training your dogs is concerned. Does not take an 'expert' to have a home with multiple same sex dogs that get along and follow instructions given to them individually. 

   

 

 

 

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Fitzmar - Well said.

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