Please Help...I need to give away my Doberman to a good home

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I have a 1 year 2 month old doberman that I have had for a year now.  I had her since she was 13 weeks old.  I am sorry to say that I don't believe the doberman was the best match to my household.  Please don't get me wrong.  She is a sweet heart and very lovable.  I have three children, 18 yrs, 15 yrs, and 9 yrs. old.  I also have a 13 month old grandson living with me.  The reason why I need to give her up is that she is just too high energy for my household.  I have a 8 year old boxer who she wants to play with but is sometimes too rough with him, not mean by any stretch, just too rough.  I have been holding off on this for sometime, but the final straw was when my little grandson, who is just learning to walk, was knocked over by her as she ran to explore something.  He just missed hitting a pointed part of a table.  As it was, he had a big bruise from it.  She is a black and tan Dobie, beautiful looking.  She is somewhat submissive to the alpha in the house.  Another issue is if someone visits, she barks and growls even if we tell her it is alright.  She sort of retreats and usually ends up peeing a little on the floor, never mean to the visitor, but growls nonetheless.  She is crate trained and can go up to 9 hours in the cage without problems.  I don't want to send her to a humane society.  I want to find her a home with experienced doberman owners, but if I can't find a suitable home, I may need to do that.  I live in Pennsylvania, right on the border of New York and New Jersey.  Please help.....my cell number is 845-239-3376 for more information or I will reply to any posts too.  Thank you

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Please do not give the dog to the humane society.....
There is probably a Dobie rescue somewhere in your state that would take her.
Have you spoken with the breeder?

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Teach the Dog that the kids are off limits in any situation.  Anytime the dog is in the house just being too high energy make him sit on his pillow or bed.  Tell him stay, and anytime he tries to get up go put him back on it...  I have found that a squirt bottle works great for my dogs.  before I discovered that I would just physically lay him down everytime, no matter how many times he would get up again.  Over time he will learn that you mean business, and actually stay when you say stay.  This just worked for me, and is my advice to you if you wanted to keep the dog.  Doberman's can be the the best house pets ever, and even end up protecting your grandson in the furture. I would seriously re consider getting rid of the Dobe, but who am I.  I really hope that if you do get rid of him that he will go to a experienced, Loving pack leader, as all Dobies deserve.

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I am trying to place her with a doberman rescue.  That is my ultimate goal.  As far as the breeder is concerned they were really backyard breeders who bred their two dobies once time.  They were also an elderly couple.  I thought I would post here hoping someone might be interested.  I want nothing more than to find her a good loving home.

Have you contacted the Doberman rescue groups around your area? Do you need help in finding one? You may have to contact some in bordering states. I do hope your dog is spayed. I think if you can get her into the rescue group that would probably be best for her, at least they will have her best interest in mind and she will be placed in an appropriate home.

In the meantime make sure that she is not left to run the house when your grandson is around. How much exercise is she given? She is in the teenage years and needs room to run, mental stimulation and obedience training. Have you done anything with her as far as training?

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Well my husband and I have thought long and hard about this and we have decided to keep her and work harder with her.  Today I had her and my boxer out to run and play.  We did have a visitor at the house a little after that and she did her usual growl thing and peed on the floor, but we do know it is a work in progress with her.  Other than knocking the baby over, she is generally very gentle with him.  When it came time to sign over the release papers from the dobie rescue, I just couldn't do it. So my husband and I will work hard at making this work.

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The peeing on the floor is a sign that she is insecure and a sign of extreme submission. For some reason she if fearful and that causes the insecurity and the fear results in the growling at everyone. For the near future, when she pees in this situation, ignore it. Do not discipline her, it will maker her more insecure because she cannot help it - it is canine nature. Perhaps, when you take her out back, you take her out by herself, not with the Boxer. Give her some one on one quality time. Now by this I do not mean that you should baby her, and do not reassure her when the exhibits behavior you do not approve of. For a while, discipline should be tempered. Let her know you are not pleased with only a look, don't scold.

Work with her in a positive manner, teaching her tricks so that when she does them she get rewarded. You do not want to always be in the mode of correcting her, for this will only make the problem worse, because she will get the idea she cannot please you and that you don't want her. She may have already picked up on this, and now you need to correct that impression. When you are outside with the two dogs, she will always be in the secondary role and it is more difficult to work with her - thus the one on one.

Where does she sleep at night? Where does the Boxer sleep? Are they fed together or separately? When the two come for head scratching and petting, do both of them get it at the same time?

While this won't cure the rambunctiousness, that will only be cured by tiring her out. A tired dog is a quiet dog.

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Thank you for all the advice.  In the past I have scolded her for the peeing, but not lately.  The dogs sleep together on my bedroom floor.  I do take them out together, but when the boxer plays with me she then gets in the way to play with him so it is rarely one on one time for him.  Today I threw a ball (boxer loves that) and she ran ahead to get it, but then turned to stop him from getting it and then the poor guy just stops.  I really don't know where this submission came from.  I've trained her like the other dogs and I do give her lots of attention.  Thank you for the suggestions, I will use all.

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When introducing a puppy into a household with an older dog always has some interesting unintended consequences. I have had that challenge this year since getting Princess as a 9 week old puppy late in January. Initially while the two did have some interaction, most of her time was one on one with me while Red was in his crate. She has had little interaction with my Schnauzers.

Red is fairly laid back, but in the last several months as Princess has come up to virutally full size (now weighing 70 pounds) she has been playing roughly with him. I still watch them closely as he can overwhelm her (he weighs 110). She will come to me while I am using the laptop and stick her head around the screen and lay he head on the keyboard (with interesting characters showing up as a result). I will stop and pet her, scratch between her ears until she decided she needs to go bug Red some more. I them immediately have a larger head come around the other side because he is not getting his fair share of love.

My major problem so far is that she does not like to go outside by herself. She wants Red because they can play. But, they are very jealous of one another, if one gets something the other has to have something too. Just like two little kids close in age. It must be managed. They have to work out their pecking order, and the older one usually wins. But, each must feel that they are accepted and valued.

Many have discussed the role of Alpha in every pack, but not many have discussed the role of Omega. Every wild pack also has an Omega, the least of all and very submissive to all. They have very low esteem and no sense of worth. When I had 5 Dobes, papa, mama and three grown siblings, I had an Omega and it was difficult to bring her out of it. She got her start in life as the runt of the litter and was always small. Her main antagonist was her larger littermate sister. I had to separate the two.

I firmly believe if you work with her in a one on one situation where she will be in a position to please you and receive your praise when she succeeds, it will go a long way in improving the situation.

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I will give it a shot, because the submissiveness of her is our biggest problem.  We go through paper towels like no other with her peeing.

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This has nothin to do with the other forum that you answerd but, I need some help finding Home Owner Insurance that will cover my lovely Dobies. What I don't understand is why AKC doesn't have someone knowing how hard it is to get Home Owners Insurance since they are on the visous list and it kill me they are on this list when any dog can be mean it is how you raise them. If you could send me any infromation to my email.

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I don't have much experience with dobermans but because I want to be a professional dog trainer I trained my grandparents' german shepherd puppy on my own and one thing I've found that helps with insecuirty is playing tug of war, and letting the dog "win" by letting go, don't always let her win, but every now and again let her take the toy. This really helped with Gunner's confidence around other people, because if other people played with him they would do the same thing. The only problem here is sometimes the dog gets a little too rambunctious in trying to win the game, and that's when I would stop playing with him. It worked pretty well, hopefully this helps!

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My uncles pack has an Omega.. and she gets all the loving attention from the other dogs.. they protect her... bring her toys... comfort her... but she still is sooo insecre and submissive.

Is this normal?

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Omega? and is she insecure towards the other dogs or just towards people?

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She is insecure toward everyone... even his kitty!!! She was beaten as a puppy... she's a rescue... and came with her twin sister. Mika was fine, but Rennie was scarred for life.

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It'll just take time for her to trust everyone again, do you know what scale they were abused? Or if Mika was better off than she was?

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They belonged to a couple of kids... Mika was bought for the daughter... 8 and Rennie was bought for the son... 14 w/anger management problems. They bought her for "therapy" and he was obviously thinking "physical" therapy... like of the punching bag variety. She was 14 weeks and the parents took her to the vet... they were taken after Rennie showing up wit two broken legs and a fractured skull. The daughter took very good care of Mika... but the parents relinquished both after seeing what their son did to Rennie. charges were filed and he was in "jail" for five months and anger management for a year... this was 4 yrs ago.  

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Oh wow, that is a long time...well Rennie probably still remembers the pain she had to go through, and she's probably in constant fear that someone will turn on her again. Have you tried just sitting with her in a room, alone and build trust with her? I recently began volunteering for the SPCA here and that's what we do with some of the dogs. Just one of us in a room sitting there quietly, trying to prove to the dog we won't hurt him/her. Does she let you pet her, or play with her, things like that?

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She only lets people she knows even get close to her... thats pretty much me, my uncle, and the only human she'll play with is my aunt. Anyone else goes near her, she gets really quiet and looks for us. I have no idea what she would do if one of us wasn't there. She trusts us enough to let other people pet her if we give them the ok, but other than her vet... there is noone else she will let just walk up to her. I walk her all the time... sit with her head on my lap... she went through a lot and needs people she can trust, people she can lean on and not have to worry about whats going to happen to her next. My uncles kids, both boys, are 1 1/2 yrs old... but she likes them. They can pet her and pull on her and she doesn't mind.

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Hi Azarons, I checked with my home insurance agent last week, Alfa, as per my neighbors suggestion, and my agent said that dobermans do not need insurance because they are not on a viscous dog list, and my regular (existing) policy covers dog.

Maybe you need to change insurance carrier

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Hmm, well hopefully she'll warm up to other people eventually. Try to mentally stimulate her as much as possible and maybe that'll cheer her up?

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My uncle has this miricle way with dogs... when he got her (18 weeks) she was still in a cast and he had my aunt take sole care of her because she is my aunts dog. He can get her to warm up to anybody... but she just won't play with anyone else. They have three other dogs; my aunts hearing companion,  and two certified therapy dogs.  Mika is one of them. She is a happy dog... she gets two hour-long walks a day, and my uncle built and agility course in his backyard for them. Once in a while my aunt can get her to go through it, but when she does... oh boy... you'd think this dog had rocket boosters or something.

When she sees someone she knows and likes... she'll walk up slowly... entire body wiggling... head down... licking her chops... trying to say "I'm cute and I like you... Don't hurt me" and It hurts me to see her like this because some idiot kid decided he needed something to beat on... and chose to use a living, breathing, innocent puppy.

sry for the rant... It makes it's way out sometimes.  

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No I completely understand, that's why I couldn't be an animal cop, I would be much too rash and shoot the people neglecting their dogs...

Anyway, I don't have a whole lot of experience with rescues other than the ones at the SPCA and none of them are that bad...she might end up like this her whole life to be honest with you :/

BUT hopefully that's not the case. I guess just keep socializing her...

and whatever you do don't try the flooding method...that's what one guy at the SPCA thought would help one of the dogs because he saw it on TV...he was fired.

In case you don't know what flooding is, it's the idea that a dog only panics for around ten minutes max, and so you expose the dog to the object of the fear to show that you (or their handler) won't let anything bad happen to them. It works on some dogs but I personally don't believe in it. Try positive reinforcment with her, have guests give her treats if she approaches them or if she is calm around new people make sure to give her a bunch of praise. That's the only advice I really have...

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We use the "sit in a room with her till she realizes your not a threat" method... it works for her.

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That's good :)

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i hope you find the right home for your dog and i feel bad that it gets caged for 9 hours.

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I have had two rescued dobermans. Had I known how much I would love this breed, I'd have started my love affair years ago.  My first dobe was stabbed and thrown out to die.  I am so grateful my friend saved her.  She was with me 3 years (not nearly long enough) and I still miss her.  My second dobe came to me from the local animal shelter, where I volunteered. What a wonderful girl she is, timid, but great!  She has been with me 7 years and is suffering from wobblers disease and also has lick granuloma syndrom.  I'll have to make choices soon.

I wish you luck with your dobe.  If you decide it isn't the breed for you let me know.  I can't imagine my life now without a doberman in it.