How Long Before Your Dobie's Ears Were Standing???

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Hello Everyone,
I was wondering how long it took for your puppy's ears to stand. Prince is 15 weeks old and his right ear is standing beautifully and the left ear flops after 12-18 hours. I know we aren't finished with posting yet, I am just curious about how long it typically takes. He has a show crop. I want to put him in a fun puppy match in a month and a show in June so I just want to know what to expect. More than the shows, I can't wait to have my boy strutting around without that rack. Every time I take it down, he seems to get a pep in his step, as if he's glad that people won't laugh and say he looks like a reindeer. ;)

This is a picture of him as soon as I took the tape off.

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This is one of those situations where it really doesn't matter how long it took for everyone else.  Each dog is an individual and it will take as long as it takes.  That said, I've had them stand after only a couple of postings and I've still been taping an ear on an 18 month old.  There is no one/right answer. 

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Princess has a shorter cut, and her's stood after being posted one week. Now she did have the cone on her head the week before. That is absolutely the shortest I have ever had to post a Dobie. But, she is a companion and pet, not a show dog.

I've had others with a similar cut that I have had to post for 6 to 7 weeks.

My 4mo old boy has a long show crop and we are still posting, with no end in site yet. They were done at 7.5 weeks old. When I take them down they stand for most of the day then start to get soft and droop by the end of the day. My female with a similar long show crop I  taped in some fashion or another for up until she was 9-10 mo old. Keep in mind this may be just at the base or a breathe rite strip. Her mother had a shorter show crop and we were done taping by 5mo. All dogs are different some depends on the ear leather.

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Everyone is right, all dogs are different. Freyja's vet wanted to do hers at 12 weeks. He looked at her ears and commented that he felt they'd do well. He cropped them, taped them and told us to come back in a week. When we came back he uptaped them, looked at them and told us he thought they'd be fine. She's never had another piece of tape on her ears. I didn't get her for a show dog but I think they look pretty good, especially for a pet/companion.

He stressed that genetics plays a large part in the ear standing process. When I thanked him for doing a good job he said "It wasn't anything I did, she just has good ears".

Actually looking at Freyas ears remind me of my oldest doberman Elly and the tips are not standing properly because they were not taped long enough. If you tape long enough you will not have the droopy tips that tip out like that. Not picking on you at all so please do not take it that way, like I said my oldest Elly has the exact same look.  I thought we were done taping with her but through the years I've learned what properly standing ears look like. Their are very few vets that actually know the art of it and do it correctly. Recently on another list I belong to they had a horror story of a vet that did a crop and stuck STICKS in the ear! This vet was used all the time by a well known Back yard breeder. To top it off he taped freshly cut edges with tape. Alot of vets claim to know what they are doing but the stories you hear are horrendous. No wonder the vet associations are trying to outlaw it.

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What would be better is if the Association did proper training of the techniques that have been sucessful. Major corporations have their locations share what are called Best Practices. This way they improve all locations, the vets could do something similar. Unfortunately, sometimes independece gets in the way.

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What would be better is if the Association did proper training of the techniques that have been sucessful. Major corporations have their locations share what are called Best Practices. This way they improve all locations, the vets could do something similar. Unfortunately, sometimes independece gets in the way.

I don't think it is even taught in the veterinarian schools it is something that they learn along the way and are taught by someone else. I think alot of vets are to proud to admit that they don't know how, why else would they do what they do. It is a real art to do a nice crop whether pet or show. Even pet crops can be cut to look alot better than 80% of what I see produced. The more I hear and see of different vets chop jobs the more I don't mind if eventually they outlaw it. To make matters worse are the low lifes that try and do it themselves and yes it does happen I cant even imagine that people would do that but some do. Look at all the awful pitbull breeders/owners that chop them off short.

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Well, anyone who would think that fighting dogs is a good thing, would probably not think twice about taking a pair of scissors and cutting off the ear flap. I would not even justify it by calling it a crop.

This image is one that I totally agree with:
http://www.cafepress.com/+vick_dog_park_posse_fitted_tshirt,185643524

If the vet schools and association don't teach it, maybe the DPCA should take that training under advisement and provide certification. I have been fortunate in that most of the vets I have dealt with over the last 25 years do a good job. My current vet to whom I have been taking my dogs for the last 20 years has improved and changed some of his techniques. Perhaps, even video made by a vet who does a very good job and then the technique demonstrated and explained so that other vets can watch it.

I can understand why some don't like the ear cropping, but their excuses most times don't make sense. They say for example, that putting a dog under annethesia is risky, yet at the same time turn around and recommend annual teeth cleaning which is done under annethesia. Then they say it's painful - but the pups I have had over the years don't seem to be in pain. If your dog is in pain, it is rather evident. If they bump the ears, especially if sticked, then they will give a yelp, but if a littermate bites, they yelp. In both cases, it's fleeting and quickly forgotten.

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I was wondering the same thing. I have posted Buddy's ears up only twice. The first time was 4 days and again for 4 more days. They get dirty and loosen up,so I have to re-do them more often. Also, because I am worried about doing the tape too tight. Anyway, After the first time, they stood nicely for a whole day. I didn't want to leave them UN taped for longer,so I re-taped them up. I took the posts&tape off yesterday morning,and they are still standing today ! . I WILL be re-posting tonight though,again. I love taking him to places,but the taping/posting really draws negative attention and I don't like it. I've noticed that most people have no idea what is on his ears,or why,and I have to explain this over&over. I also got yelled at by someone and called an animal abuser.

So I can't wait to get the tape off permanently :)
here is after only two postings. And you know what's funny? i know Dr's can't promise the ears will stand,for liability,etc.. But because his ears were cropped at 13 weeks (he's 15/16 weeks now) and had an infection right after wards(So I had to leave them UN posted ),and they looked awful and so droop. Well, I bought him already cropped. Anyway, the Vet i am taking him to now,for to finish his shots, does do cropping,so he knows about after care,etc... He told me by the look of the ears :

Here he was before posting them(but after the crop)

that it is VERY unlikely they would ever stand up ! 11 days later and this is how they look : OH,but after only FOUR days of posting (the first time) they both stayed standing !
Below is a picture from this morning :

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That is a good looking boy. His ears look good, and if they start to sag, keep posting. You appear to be fortunate, for typically if you crop the ears that late, they are not likely to stand. He appears to be fine featured which has probably helped in delaying the hardening of the cartilage. Watch out for the development of a crease. If the ears flop over, do not delay in re-posting, not even overnight.

He also had very fine featured front paws which I have seen refered to as "cats paws".

He most likely won't be a big bruiser like my Red, but more of a fine featured and lovely boy, somewhat akin to my first male who for most of his adult life ranged between 66 and 70 pounds. Ironically, every one of his male offspring were larger than he was when they reached adulthood. One of his sons I had was the largest Dobe I ever owned until I got Red.

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Yes, rgreen4, Buddy is a very little fellow :)  he is 16 weeks now, and about 22lbs.
A little bigger than my 6 1/2 yr old 14lb (but not fat) cat. Peopel do comment how big his paws are,but yes he has very puppy-like features that a younger dog would have.  The breeder said that physically he would be about 4 weeks behind the other dogs his own age.

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That is probably paying a dividend for him right now with his ears, as if he were 6 pounds heavier (Princess was 28 pounds at 16 weeks) the cartilage in his ears would probably have been too thick for them to stand as beautifully as they are. Hans, my first male, was as I said a little smaller than normal and as a result was far more agile.

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I have had my Dobie for 2 weeks.  The breeder we got him from super glued a sponge to his head and glued his ears to it.  Our dog is only 8 weeks old.  The sponge has finally fell off, and we are now waiting for the hair to grow back.  The breeder told us after the hair grew back, to glue this larger sponge.  My question is if anyone has ever heard of this method of making their ears stand?  I'd appreciate any information.  This breed is totally new to me!  Thanks~!

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Sponge?  This is my first time with the breed as well, but I have never heard of anyone using a sponge to make the ears stand.  Could you post up some pics?  That sounds like a totally wrong method. I've done my research on cropping through and through for I am about to crop my pups ears, but after all the research I have done I have never heard of utilizing a sponge.

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Are you sure it was a sponge and not foam blocks? I would not think a sponge would have the necessary strength.

Back in the mid-80's using a foam block on top of the head between the ears was very popular, but it was usually taped in place, not glued. I had to use a vet other than my normal vet on my second litter in '87 for some of my pups because of scheduling with my normal vet. This vet used foam pads about twice the thickness of a foot pad and fairly stiff. He trimmed triangular shaped pieces to fit inside the ears and glued them in place with surgical glue. They did work nicely. However, when they came out, I had to revert back to posting because I did not have the pads or the glue.

Support between the ears works well for the first week, and some interesting devices have been used. Any brace that supports the ear properly without pinching or hurting the pup while the cartilage in the ear strengthens and stiffens will work. Various materials have even been used to create the posts, but I have tended to fall back to the old fashioned sticks padded with paper towels and wrapped in adhesive tape. They are not as high tech as some new items, but I have used them for a long time and they work for me.

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I have had my Dobie for 2 weeks.  The breeder we got him from super glued a sponge to his head and glued his ears to it.  Our dog is only 8 weeks old.  The sponge has finally fell off, and we are now waiting for the hair to grow back.  The breeder told us after the hair grew back, to glue this larger sponge. 

My cropping vet glues (Skin Bond) the newly cropped ears to foam blocks that fall off a couple of weeks later.  If the incisions are healed at that time, then we start posting the traditional way with tampons or backer rod.  If the incisions are not quite healed yet, then we wait until they are before we begin posting as above.  There is no sense in waiting now for the hair to grow back as puppy will probably lose a little more in the posting process.  Just make sure the edges are healed before posting.

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Cmonchamp - by all means, if the sutures are out and the edges healed, now is the time to start posting. There are good instructions on this site for posting and taping the ears. This is not exactly the method I use, and probably not the method Glengate uses, but, the key is that any method that works for you and the puppy is a good one. Make sure that the edges are healed and the scabs have come off. If not you will likely be pulling scabs off with the tape. Here is the link to this sites description of posting:

http://www.gentledoberman.com/ear-cropping-4.php

If the edges of the ear are still healing and have scabs and since the sponge has come off, you may want to try putting a cup on the puppy's head. Here is a discussion just the other day about building the cup and taping to the head and ears. One key part I want to emphasize is that the tape holding the ears to the cup is on the front (uncut) edge of the ear only. The cup will last about a week before the puppy gets it off. Allow the ears to rest for 24-48 hours before you start posting. (The skin under the tape gets irritated). This resting time may be what your vet was trying to say about letting the hair grow back. As long as the skin is not red and irritated you can put another support on to keep the ears up.

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Kratos ears started standing and stayed standing after only 6 days.  I was really amazed, the vet told me he had great ears, and we got his done at 11 weeks old. ::)

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Great dog, great vet and GREAT Mom! Congratulations.. From what I've read sometimes it's quite a chore, and a difficult experience with a dissapointing result. Can't wait to see more pictures of Kratos the InKredible!
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Prince 10  -  Again, every dobes different and there is no set time. although you usually see results in the first two or three postings. My liitle girl Emma, was Born on 3/1/2010. She had her ears Cropped on 4/20/2010 a long show crop. This is her picture on 6/5/2010 and here in this picture she was posted for exactly one month. I've still been putting them up after being down for as long a 48 hours. Keep post until the ears stand solid at all times. when they are unposted rub the crap out of them. 

It really depends on the crop. Most of the people that you hear of that the ears stand a week or 2 after cropping are because it was a very short crop and much of the bell of the ear was left on (not a very nice looking crop at all, but to most beginners wouldn't know the difference) Everyone also needs to keep in mind that during teething they may start drooping again and need to be reposted. Many people make the mistake of not taping long enough becuase they "THINK" the ear is standing. They are inexperienced and do not have a experienced person to turn to. If your tips are pointing any direction but straight up you are not done. I've had vets tell me on our oldest dog that had a total pet crop that the ears were done and I didn't have to tape anymore, only to find out this was not the case from experienced breeders. Vets do not know everything and MOST of them that crop don't know what the hell they are doing anyways. It is very obvious from the crop job to the wrapping that they put on them. If you really want help with the whole cropping issue then seek out an experienced breeder for help. Look up breeders on the DPCA website and find out if their is anyone in your area that can help with pointing you to a good cropper, showing you how to wrap ears.

Bottom line before you decide to crop do your homework. It pays to go to an reputable cropper who knows what they are doing. Most vets ruin the looks of the dog by the butcher job they do in cropping. It doesn't have to be a long show crop to look good you can have varying degrees of ear length and still have an attractive crop that doesn't take away from the looks of your dog. It is the bell and the terrible way they cut that ruins the dogs look. If you are going to put your dog through the misery of earcropping then why not investigate and do it right. DONT take your local vets word for it do your homework! Remember cropping isn't taught in vet schools it is a true art, some are better then others.

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I'm doing the tampon posting, suggested by my breeder.  I wish it didn't take as long as I am VERY nervous of screwing up the posting (my first dobie, so I've never done this before).  I just have to keep in mind practice makes perfect.  But, in this situation, I feel that I should have perfection before actually doing. :[  I cried after I changed her for the first time because "it didn't look like how she did it!"  Haha I'm such a baby. xD  Better to worry than be sorry later, right?  I wish you luck, though!  I've heard a table spoon of cottage cheese mixed with the food helps the process along a little bit.  How true that is, I have no idea.  If anyone's heard of that, I'd like to know their opinions!

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Jewel's ears are doing good . The right one does , at times , flop . When it does flop , as soon as I notice , I re-post it , just the right ear . I use "backing rod " found in the tile and grouting section at Lowe's . There are two sizes , get the size that fits the dogs ear/age . I tape with , I think it's called "Novis Porous" ( don't count on my spelling ) obtainable on line or at the vet .  I'll leave it posted for a day to a few days , remove the post and let the ear stand on it's own . The more or longer the ear stands on it's own the better . 

I cut the post to length shove it deep into the ear pocket ( you will not be able to put it in too far , the ear canal makes a hard turn [ close to 90 degrees ] to the head ) and put a strip of tape at the base and another close to the ear's tip . DO NOT MAKE IT TOO TIGHT , you don't want to cut off the circulation of blood to the tip of the ear , just snug enough . When done I give lots of praise and a bribe of beggin strips . She sits there and lets me do the deed without protest . LOVES beggin strips .

Do not give up . Some dogs DO take longer than others . If the ear stands at times , it will stand eventually .

Oh forgot to mention Jewel is 7 months now , posted since 12 weeks .

Best of luck to ya !