Guide dog attack.

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I heard about this some time ago, but only saw the CCTV footage a couple of nights ago and maybe our friends in the states have never heard the story.

A young man with a "Bull Terrier" dog was walking it off the lead and the person himself looked a show off, seeing him on the footage, when who should appear on the scene but a person with sight problems and his guide dog, who was working to help his master as they do.
When the bull terrier saw the guide dog it attacked it, inflicting serious injury on the poor dog and of course the blind person must have been terrified not being able to see what was happening.
The young chap with the bull terrier had a job to get his dog off the guide dog but when he did manage it all he done apparently was walk away ! Leaving the guide dog severly injured and the blind person extremely traumatised.
The guidedog has apparently made an excellent recovery and is back at work, thank goodness.
But it just goes to show what sort of people own these bull terrier type dogs and what disregard they give to responsible dog ownership.

Pete.

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Hi Pete, that's terrible what happened.

I don't agree with you that we can classify everyone who owns a bull terrier to be a irresponsible owner. We just hear in the news more about this specific breed when something like that happens, because bull terriers are prone to more aggression when they are mistreated and abused. Other dogs who are mistreated and abused can not do as much damage.

In the neighborhood where I live, I have family who keeps their young pit bull tied to the car all day long, and pokes it, and plays mean with it. He will grow into an aggressive dog. I feel so sorry for the dog, and hope whe will run away and find a good home.

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Good morning, yes like all other dogs, it is the owner that makes these dogs aggressive, they do not come in to this world aggresive do they. If when they are born they go to a loving family home and are trained properly they can become family dogs.

But for some reason the bull terrier breeds are favoured by young people and those young people, or most of them do not have the slightest interest in the dog or the dog world, I have seen it many many times. There is always the exception to the rule though and a few youngsters actually take an interest in their dogs, but not many at all. Where I live is the main street to the town centre and I see that breed walking with their young owners to and from the town every day of the week and not always on a lead and even sometimes the dog is loose and the youngster is busy with his can of beer..honest, I kid you not!

But there we go, modern times I suppose.

But to repeat my comments in another thread I put on here,in the UK I think that ALL owners and prospective owners should be MADE to undergo training classes for dogs I really do, because something has got to be done. Sadly in the UK dog welfare and dog law or animal law is not strict enough. The rules and laws are there but they are never "policed" properly and I beleive the situation is getting out of hand.

There is a great deal of satisfaction and happiness in owning and training a dog, a well trained dog is a very nice sight, but training classes are only on a "if you want to" basis sadly, and not a "must" and until they are made to be so the situation will go on getting worse.

Mind you there is also a lot to be said for the price of attending training classes, not very cheap most of them do cost a fair bit of money.

But the incident with the Guide dog was very sad indeed, luckily it made a complete recovery I understand, but I bet it is very nervous of strange dogs now.

Pete.

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What a horrible thing for that blind man and his dog to have to go through.  I agree, Pete, that there are a lot of younger people (not all, but some) that want the 'buly breeds' for a status thing and to prove how tough they are (both the dog and the human) and those dogs are NOT treated right.  I see that in more in bigger cities here than in my own small rural town, but it does exist and it's shameful.  I remember a few decades back where dobermans and rottweillers had almost as bad a reputation as pit bulls do now.  It took a lot of responsible owners to change that stereotype of these dogs, and still, there are people that fear a dobie or a rottie just by looking at it.  I hope for the dogs' sake that people will someday give up the feel for the need to own a dog and MAKE it a viscious dog just to prove how tough they are.

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Wow, that is such a terrible story!  It's hard to believe that someone could be so irresponsible especially when it comes to someone with a disability, but clearly it does happen.  Glad to hear that the guide dog is alright, and I hope that other owner was found and dealt with! 

I think a lot of younger people are attracted to the various "pit bull" breeds because it makes them look tough, and is a status symbol among their peers.  Sadly if you look at the world of dog fighting, the reason pit bulls are so popular is because they are SO loyal to their owners that no matter how much they are mistreated and provoked into becoming agressive, they still love their masters and will RARELY ever show aggression toward them.  In fact the aggression and drive they show in the ring is often an attempt to win favour and affection from their owner.  I've done a lot of research into this and it is really hearbreaking the way the true natures of those breeds are used against them for the entertainment of humans. 

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Well as you know by now, I am a "Rotty" man, I absolutely love the breed, always have done and probably always will. Now I am in the Doberman world and looking forward to many happy years with Buster.

When Ben was alive I was a member, in fact I still am, of a Rottweiler discussion forum, similiar to this one and I have been a member for a good many years AND made lots of friends on there, in fact when my son in law got tragically killed in a road accident, we had sympathy cards through the post off a lot of members of the forum.

So these forums can be fantastic sites to join, especially if like me on here, you are new to the breed and want to know more off people that are experienced within the breed.

I do not mind admitting, although I am expereinced with "Rottys" and the basic needs for any dog, I know very little about the "Dobe" and it has been fantastic meeting the friendly members on here, but for any breed of dog, if a person gets one or is thinking of getting one AND they have a Pc, then join a forum like this and dont go on and try to be a know all, explain that you are new to the breed and have joined to simply learn. Which gets me to the point (stop woffling LOL), your comments about Rottys and Dobes having a bad name some time ago, yes that is absolutely correct and even today people look at a  ROTTY OR A DOBE and some of the looks the poor dogs and their owners get is sometimes totally annoying, because Mr "Joe Public" is far to easily mislead by the press and they beleive in everything they read in the papers or hear on the TV news.

If a dog attacks, and lets face it the smallest dog can bite just as easy as a big dog, and worse still if a dog attacks a child, then when it is reported on in the news or paper, straight away the comments are "put the dog down" or "them dogs are dangerous ", which as responsible dog owners we know is a load of rubbish. It is ALWAYS the dog owners fault, without question. When the case goes to court we then hear the truth and they (the owners) admit to putting the dog in to a situation in the first place. Such as leaving a young child with a dog alone....BAD MOVE !

No dog should ever be left alone with a child ! My Ben was very highly trained and an extremely loved member of the family, but there was no way that we ever left him alone with our grand children, not because we did not trust him, but kids are kids and it was more a case of not trusting them really.

The problem is of course that when a dog bites or attacks we obviously never hear the dogs side of things do we or know exactly what went on to make the dog do it..because apart from anything else as soon as a dog bites or attacks..."whoosh" they are taken away and killed ! There are more good honest pet dogs been put down over the years in this way, innocent dogs who have bitten or attacked out of provocation, because no matter how much we love our dogs, and we do, obviously, they are still ANIMALS..like it or not !

I can remember a story about a Rottweiler, not too long ago, only about 2 years ago. His owner an elderly gentleman of about 70 years of age,was out walking with him and the owner suddenly collapsed in the street and died there and then. The walk they were on, was a regular route they had taken for years, so the Rotty knew where he was in his neighbourhood, anyway when the owner collapsed the Rotty grabbed hold of his owners coat collar and was trying to pull the old chap back home...THIS IS A TRUE STORY BY THE WAY, anyway peole noticed this Rottweiler and the man on the ground and the dog biting( so they thought) at the mans coat, so they called the police, the police came and saw the rotty who was still trying to help his master, in the end an armed response vehicle was called for and THEY SHOT the Rotty dead !!!! The mans family explained everything and the police made a weak apology in the local newspaper, but that dog died innocently, mainly because it was a Rotty and people being people today have tunnel vision especially on dogs.

But as I said that was a true story it did actually happen, such a terrible shame of a faithful dog trying in vain to help its owner, who unbeknown to the poor dog, was dead.

Pete.

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It enforced my favourite saying "The more people I meet, the more I love my dog" !!!

Anyway Buster went to the vets yesterday and all is well, he had his second lot of injections, so now it is all systems go to get him in to the big wide world and see what is going on out there.

Pete.

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As a Service Dog owner and handler, this makes me sick! It's hard enough on a team to be accepted, much less have to deal with irresponsible people. My Mother is blind, and I cannot imagine the fear that must have been felt there. God bless them!

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As I said I had heard about the incident and never saw the CCTV footage until a couple of nights ago, it really is bad, imagine what the blind person must have been going through as well as the dog.

 

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Omg! That's terrible, its good to know that the dog is back in full health. I completely agree with Pete...

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It is sad that these types of dogs have been labeled as such, and these people who only think of them in a negative manner ( not referring to anyone here). It irks me that most of the people I come into contact with, when you say the name :pit bull, bull terrier, etc...will visibly show disgust and fear of these dogs.

And it breaks my heart that when I go volunteer at the shelter, 90% of the dogs there are pits. I have known three pits / pit mixes personally in my lifetime and they have been some of the most loyal, loving dogs ever. I hope that loving owners, like the ones I have seen, slowly start to bring the rep. of these kinds of dogs back to where it should be just like Ziva's dad said about Dobes and Rotts. Its been a while since society chose pits as the poster kids for "dogs gone wild" I wonder who they will pick next?

Just yesterday, Rick and I were walking Dex and Ginger by the school we live next to, and a thirty something lunch lady walked around the corner, when she saw Ginger (we were about 40 paces away) she stopped dead in her tracks, walked the other way, and stood next to one of the other guys out there till we had passed, then walked back the way she would have if we had never been there. You could see the fear on her face. When in reality, the only harm Ginger would ever cause to a friendly stranger would be "Death by Kisses" (a gruesome one...I know) even know, old ways of thinking still frighten people; and the only way to change it, is one person at a time...

seriously...who could be scared of this face?

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Dexter & Ginger, y'all are adorable...Sophie slurps!!!!

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Even though I am a young person, I do 100% agree about the idiots these days who want a dog for a status symbol. Heck, people label me as wanting to be "tough" because I love Dobermans so much, but whenever someone says that to my face I go off spouting all of this knowledge of the breed and training (99% thanks to you guys ;D) and they quickly apologize. What I hate about this generation especially is, I'll admit it, we are SPOILED! No offense to good parents, because they are out there, but I know a LOT of parents who get their kid a dog and don't teach them a thing! Which would be fine if kids(!) knew how to handle a dog, knew how to train their dog, knew how to train themselves! I know quite a bit about training dogs, but I would NEVER claim to know everything, because frankly I don't! It saddens me to think that people like that are out there, and their dogs pay the price for it. Thank God that guide dog was okay, and hopefully that blind man was able to pull through without much emotional scarring.

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I still say and I will not change my mind, that no dog, despite its breed is born aggresive.

Every puppy born is completely innocent of anything bad, just like a human baby, but we train our children right from the start of their lives to behave and as they grow up to have good manners and eventually be good citizens, sadly it does not always work, but in most cases it does.

But with puppies, they are born and then eventually get rehomed and that is where the problems start. Not all prospective dog owners, as mentioned on many dog forums over the years, want to be bothered with proper training of the dog, some go down the wrong road altogether and either give the dog no training at all or train it to be aggresive and a bad dog and once the dog has been trained like that, well the "seeds are set" and it takes immense retraining to rehabilitate the poor dog because it does not know any different.

You mentioned what happened when those people saw Ginger,well yes I can relate to that, because my Ben was a big Rotty and to look at him you would think he was very aggressive and ready to go for anyone, when the plain truth was he was a "big lump", soft as anything and he loved to meet people and offered them his paw, but I have had people cross the road or go in to a shop doorway when we approached, they have took one look at my mate and moved, one way or the other. It annoyed me at first but I got used to it after a while and took no notice.

Another thing that really "got my goat", the people that DID come up to us and they used to say things like...is IT allright can I stroke IT", I used to say his name is Ben and he is fine, stroke him if you wish. The other thing was, people who used to say .... "Oh I know someone who had one of THEM," or "my brothers (or sisters) friend used to have one of THEM,and then go on and on about THEM, I did not hesitate in telling them in no uncertain terms..there is no such breed as a "THEM",he is a Rottweiler and his name is Ben and then I was ignorant and just walked away. 

"Grr" people !

Give me dogs everytime, much more fun, much more honesty and much more dedication. A dog will never let you down, they never judge you, they trust you and will defend you if need be until they drop.

Pete.

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From my limited experiences with Rotties, they are a awful lot like Dobersman, just bigger and can't run as fast. When a Dobie gallops, a Rottie just sorta lumbers.

They are both big loveable lunks to those they know and accept. To those who we cannot trust, they will go on alert and protect their humans. Either dog, when raised properly and socialized, and when approached properly, will bug you to death afterwards for attention and stroking. Both are very intelligent and perceptive.

As I have said in other posts, my former neighbor had one whom he could not/would not keep confined in his year. Mo never bothered my. When I came home in the evening, most of the time he would greet me (in my yard) and I would chuck him under the chin and pet him. If you stood still, he was come up and sit beside you. He would then go into the lean putting almost his entire weight against you. You learned quickly when Mo approached if you were standing, to spread you feet apart a bit to brace yourself.

Unfortunately, other neighbors in the area complained loudly, and they had to re-home Mo. I missed that big loveable lunk for a long time.

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The old saying "You cant rush a rotty" LOL.

Mind you I have to admit, young Buster has got a lot of Ben in him, we have noticed that.

Pete