Introducing a new dobe

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Hi! We just adopted a 9 year old red spayed female dobe and are introducing her to our 1 year neutered male black dobe. They generally get along well, but I was wondering if any one had tips for us? Our 1 year old Ruse was an only child and is a little jealous, which I think he'll get used to over time. and Dru the new dobe seems to be territorial of where she is sleeping, and snarly when Ruse comes near her food. I was told she lived with 2 other dobes before, though.

Also, the older dobe gets weird neck spasms that last 15 minutes... I was told this is common in older Dobes? They said it happened because of the new environment .. but it freaked me right out!!

Thanks to everyone for their tips and advice!! Such a marvellous breed!

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Well welcome and thank you for rescuing an elder Dobe. I dont know anything about the neck spasms but I hope someone can help you. 

 

Tess

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Thanks for your reply! They were going to put her down because she is harder to home due to her age. But shes a wonderful old gal!!

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The neck spasms sound like a seizure tic to me, and alot of older dogs can have these seizures when their environment is too stimulating and new as in her case.....if it continues I would have it checked out by the vet, 15 minutes seems like a very long time for this issue.....

Thanks for rescuing and older dog!!! They are great dogs regardless of age, I like that they are beyond the wild youngster behavior and are really laid back...Keep us posted on this neck problem

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By neck spasms, do you mean head bobbing? 

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it looks like a seizure but seems to originate from the neck and makes her whole head shake

She has a vet appointment today! so we will find out more

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I have previously read a little bit about head tremors, and found this on a site called Champdogs Information:

Below is a copy of an email to from Dr WB Thomas to me permission to reproduce is granted, I hope this give some relief to those who have found themselves with a dog with this condition.

A syndrome called “idiopathic head tremor”, for lack
of a better name, has been recognized in dogs.
Dobermans are most commonly affected, with English
bulldogs being also common. Other breeds can also be
affected.

Signs consist of an intermittent tremor of the head. This
can be an up-and-down movement or a side-to-side
movement. The tremor starts and stops spontaneously.
The dogs are alert and responsive during the tremor
and are able to walk normally. In some cases,
distracting the dog, for example with food, can stop the
tremor.

Diagnostic testing, including CT/MRI, spinal fluid
analysis, and EEG are typically normal. Affected dogs
do not develop other neurologic signs. There is no
treatment but the episodes sometimes eventually stop.

This has been discussed among neurologists and
nobody really agrees on the nature of these episodes.
They may be focal seizures, but they rarely respond to
anti-seizure drugs. Another theory is that this is a
movement disorder. A behavior disorder, such as
stereotypy has also been postulated. I have seen
related Dobermans affected, suggesting there may be a
genetic component.

WB Thomas DVM,MS
Dipl.ACVIM(Neurology)
University of Tennessee
Knoxville, TN

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Thanks for adopting and oldie!My Hoss is a rescue also,he was here about a month just laying on the floor when his head started bobbing and shakeing it also freaked me out(he is only 3).I did some research and was releived that it is not life threatining also like Paul had in artical he put on most you can distract with a favorite treat and they quit my Hoss does anyway!Don't do the oh poor baby routine distract them as quick as possible!Thank goodness my Hoss has only done this 3 times since I've had him.Good Luck !    Dodie & Hoss 

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Sofia gets IHT at times.. The first time I saw it, I was really concerned.didn't know if it was a siezure and had never heard of IHT..I was freaking out.. Our vet here in Baja had never heard of it.. so of course..... to the Forum I go.. What was recommended to me was an easy fix with redirecting her attention with a treat or a 'Hey what's going on?" No baby-ing.. however... it's never a bad idea to check with your vet. fifteen mins. IS a long time.

As far as Dru relaxing, just a lot of patience on your part is necessary .. it takes up to six months before a rescued one feels at home.. She's probably wondering where she's going to sleep tonight. Poor girl.. I am so proud of you for adopting.. they come with a lot of baggage, and un-known health related problems.. but what angels they are.

Food protective? Of course..she had to get what she could when available..

My suggestion would be NOT to free feed, and to separate them at meal times.. pick her bowl up after 10 mins..she'll learn to finish and Ruse will have to learn the same.

Best of luck to you.. Thank you for joining this wonderful Forum.. and once again, thank you for adopting Dru.. We need more folks like you!!

Kate and Sofia

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Aww thanks to every one for their helpful, kind words!!

That IHT article looks bang on! She did it again this morning and I gave her a treat, and that seemed to work. Even her eyes looked relieved for the distraction. Thank you so much "DJs Dad"!!! I feel better knowing there is something I can do for her to help her through it! The fear in her eyes is heart wrenching

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@Ruse--at least if you suspect it's IHT, you can deal with it a little better.  I remember seeing a video of a doberman that had horrible tremors, but even during those head-shaking tremors, it would respond immediately to commands to sit, lie down, shake hands, etc.  It literally brought tears to my eyes watching that video. 

Hopefully, as mentioned in the article, the tremors will subside and just stop.  If not, then it's reassuring that you will love her just the same.  God bless you for rescuing this dear sweet gal.

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Yeah she seems very lucid during the tremors. Even though I dont know her well yet, I could see fear in her eyes, but she did seem relieved when I offered a cookie to her. poor old girl!!

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How did the vet trip go???

The head tremors are very common and as long as you can get them to stop by changing their focus to a treat, I would not worry about them.  I certainly would not spend a bunch of money on diagnostics. 

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Our 7 month female Dobe was fixed 2 days ago and IHT happened today. She was sitting looking at me and her head started to shake for about 10 mins on and off then it started up again a few hours later. I looked at a few videos on youtube and that is exactly what it looked like! I've also read that it could have something do with a possible traumatic incident (being at the vets for 2 days and the spaying) We took her in to the vet this afternoon, we were really worried and pretty much they said to keep an eye on it...

Has anyone had this happen to their pup so close after their spaying?

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Aww sorry to hear that has happened to your Dobe :( its stressful to watch them go through it.

 

"DJs Dad" 's article was bang on with distracting them with a cookie, and my vet confirmed that its common in Dobes and bulldogs.

 

That does seem really young; Dobes get stressed and dont seem to like too much change, but a trip and stay at the vet shouldnt be THAT stressful

going to the vet is always stressful - being spayed and being at the vet is about as stressful as life can get for a 7 month old puppy!!

Head tremors at any age are not uncommon.

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hi congrats on your new arrival i'v trained many dogs and i'v found with the dobermanns that the bitches can be a bit possesive and dominant theirs quiet a diffrence between male and females in this breed( if anyone knows different i'd love to know).bringing an older dog into the house does course problems they are just working out the pecking order been there. it should settle down.