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I am having trouble with Rolo's dry skin. He is fed on Royal Canin food and given fish jerky for treats. He has Olive oil in his food once a week and the vet has advised me to increase his evening primrose capsules to 2 a day as he is about 4 stone now. He is 6 months old and I have only bathed him about 3 times as I wipe him with baby wipes if he is dirty. I have just bought a tea tree shampoo. Some men at one of the dog clubs are dog groomers they said it is quite a common problem for dobemans?

I read on one of the other threads about skin so soft and I have used that a couple of times how often do you use this?

I have been to the pet shop and bought a brush for him but just tried it and his skin was coming off in big flakes!

What brushes do you use?

How often do you bath?

His coat is really shiny but he has flaky skin. The vets checked him yesterday and he doesn't have an infection or anything it also doesn't irritate him its just not very nice.

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Hi Poogie,  I do not have my dobe yet but I'm interested in seeing the responses.

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Rocky spends a lot of time at the MX track in the mud/dirt with us so he is bathed almost weekly.   I never brush him or clean him other than his bath.   Weekly would be considered too much usually but he's just in so much dirt that it works for him and he doesn't have any skin issues so I haven't worried much about it. 

 

Try switching up his food, or could it be a food allergy?  It seems like a lot of stuff you're giving him.  Some dry skin is normal...if I sit there and scratch Rocky's butt there will be a few flakes but nothing much or what I would call excessive.   It's worse in the winter for sure...but my skin is the same.

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He is on really good food but at the vets they said it could be an allergy and to wait 3months until we have his 9 month check up. He looks like something has snowed on him definately not normal dandruff. I hadn't thought about it being the cold. We live right by the beach and its very cold and windy here so could be that. I also have bad skin at the moment hadn't thought of that.

Unless my dogs are showing, I only bathe them once every 3 months or so.  I very rarely brush them. I do wipe them down if needed. When I do bathe them, I use a very mild dog shampoo and only a tiny bit of it.  I never rub against the direction the hair grows and I use lukewarm to cool water - never warm as that opens up their pores and dirt gets trapped.  I rinse WAY beyond when all the shampoo is out... then I rinse again!

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Poogie,

I am having the same issues.. have been for months.  Lots of dandruff with bumps. There was staph, but now hot spots.  I have tried switching foods, raw diet, antibiotics, regularly bathing, not bathing, medicated shampoos, Fish oil, virgin coconut oil, dermal support supplement.....  The list goes on and on and on.  I just called the vet today and am waiting on a call back, because it is getting worse and now he has hot spots. 

His food is costing us 185 dollars a month!  I have tried a regular vet, holistic vet, etc...

I am thinking I may do an allergy panel and just find out what he is allergic too and try to avoid it.  This may mean going to see a dermatologist  His main protein right now is turkey and chicken... I am wondering if he has a poultry allergy.  But to be honest things weren't much better when he was eating fish and potatoes.  Sigh...  If I figure anything out I will let you know.

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I have been told that the chances of a dog having food allergies is really not that common, it would more than likely to be an environmental based allergy, plants, grass, etc or an immune problem. I was told this by one of the vets Dexter seen, who is a dermatologist. He had the same problem and was given antibiotics which only helped for a very short while. I have changed his diet to raw with a fair few supplements to combat his itching. He also was given something to slow down his immune. So far 2 months in and no itching or bumps. He also had all the skin scrapings and what not done at the vet all which came back negative.

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Gideon has the same dandruff problem...but the grappling that has to take place to get him in and keep him in the bath long enough to clean him makes the process rather irregular.

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The only time I bathe mine is when they smell bad (and that's not often) and wiping them down just won't work. Most of the time their muddy so I just hose them off and towel them down. I very seldom give them a soap and water bath.

Nightly (depending on the weather, sometimes hourly) I just wipe them off with a damp face towel.

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We had a doberman, Griff, who had a really bad hot spot on his front knuckle, he just would not stop licking it.  We had an e collar on for about six months but he would find ways to get round it, we even made a really long one out of 2 e collars but he used to walk into everything and everyone and we decided that enough was enough, he couldn't live his life like that.

We then heard about this ointment, Camrosa, and, although it did not get rid of the hot spot it really seemed to stop the itching and stop Griff from licking so much.  It is  a thick greasy cream so was quite messy but it definitely gave him some relief.  We never did find out what caused him to lick so much. 

Here is the link to the UK site, don't know if you can get it in the States.

http://www.camrosa.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&It...

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The modern shampoo products are much more mild than what our parents used, so I don't hesitate to bath him when necessary and not in some arbitrary schedule like on monthly basis. I use oatmeal-based shampoo, which is supposed to be more soothing than tea tree. 

As a nutritional supplement, we cut into a capsule of odor-free fish oil and mix it into his food twice a day. Based on the recomendation of other helpful owners in this forum, I've switched from Orijen to Taste of the Wild venison & bison kibbles. The vet also advised that puppies (especially dobies) typically shed more than mature dogs. The winter dry weather doesn't help either. I only brush dogs that have excessive amounts of hair with the potential for kinks. I don't think dobies suffer from that.

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First of all Royal Canin is NOT a good food.  It is a mediocre food at best...brewer's rice, brewer's year, corn, beet pulp...not good ingredients.  Second of all if you have flaky skin you shouldn't be using oatmeal soap....although soothing, it can actually cause flakes.  Try a soap free formula.

 http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showcat.php/cat/all/page/2/si/royal%20canin/what/allfields

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It's winter, heaters are on, the air is dry.  Bathing only exasperates the problem of dry skin.  Look for a food with higher omega fatty acids.  Like Fitz said, once you rinse, rinse again, then one more time.  The few times that I've bathed Fancy is the ONLY time that she's had dandruff, and mostly on her neck where her collar is.  For those of you with "bumps" and hot spots, I know you don't want to hear it, but only one flea can cause a severe reaction, let alone several or more fleas.  Fleas get desperate this time of year and get ravenous.  Sometimes a cortisone injection from the vet will help relieve the itching.

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really fleas?  I haven't seen any and we are regular as the sun about their flea/tick/heartguard medicine.  Should I still be worried about fleas?

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really fleas?  I haven't seen any and we are regular as the sun about their flea/tick/heartguard medicine.  Should I still be worried about fleas?

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Thanks for all your great comments. I will keep trying what I am doing as it has gotten better in the last day or two and I think it is the skin so soft and extra tablet as this is all we have changed. 

Control freak or anybody else who has a suggestion. I asked the vet about his food and they said it was very good. It is also what our breeder uses. What is wrong with it? It is very expensive so if I can find a better alternative I will give it a go I just thought it was good and it's expensive so thought I was buying well.

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We bathe the dogs whenever we go anywhere or when she even stinks (like, STINKS) in her crate lol. So, I would say every month or so we bathe her. She flakes whenever we ride in the car. She barely flakes when she's done with a bath since I quadruple rinse her after her oatmeal shampoo (we need to get a better one imo).

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Now this is interesting.. when Sofia was so sick and we were concerned about a possible liver condition, she went on Royal Canin Hepatic for three months.. she loved it and if I could afford it, I would feed it to her all the time..

C~ I really value your opinion as you're usually spot on about most things..  why you don't like the ingredients..??

It's SSS day today..I  probably give Sofia a good wipe down with it once a month.. but baby wipes in between and a soft brushing  keeps her coat smooth and pretty.
Poogie, if I had to guess, I'd say Rolo is allergic to something and if he were my baby, I'd have some skin scrapings done to see what's causing all this.

Good luck

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I am super crazy obsessed about researching good quality dog food.  I figure if we choose to eat like crap then that's on us, but our dogs have to eat what we make them...so why not give them the best quaility food we can afford that works with THEIR system.  Now I am not saying that just because you give your dog a high quality food it will work for them...but there is a good food that will work for them.

Ok so lets talk about the "big name" dog food companies and how they manipulate you into believing your giving your dog the best food available.  Most of these companies (purina, iams, science diet, eukanuba ect.)  trick you by using fancy labels, lots of advertising and misleading words to buy their product.  Let me break it down.

Purina:

   1. All of their food is garbage!

   2. They show you these commercials of a happy healthy puppy loving their food or a "senior" dog that is seemingly healthy....so your brain say Oh look how happy they are I want my dog to be that happy.

   3. They use artificial coloring to make the kibble more appealing....to YOU.  Not your dog....Fido doesn't care what color it is.  Same goes with shapes...who really cares that the food is shaped like little dog bones? Not Fido.

  4.  They have their baseline food...regular old purina.  Then they have this new fancy Purina Pro Plan!!!  Well didn't you know that its got to be the best because Purina charges an arm and a leg for it and Chicken is the number on ingredient.  So you think?  Yes on the label chicken is listed as the number one ingredient, but if you look at the next three they are all a variety or corn.  Most likely if you add up the amount of corn that these three ingredients they will equal a higher percentage then the chicken.  So in theory corn is likely the number one ingredient.  So why are they charging you more?

5.  While we are on the subject of corn...why should our dogs even eat corn?  They get no nutritional value from it.  It is a cheap filler.  Not to mention that it isnt even good quality corn..more like what is left over after they process it for human consumption!

6.  Cheap fillers, brewers rice and beet pulp are the two that stick out right now....no nutritional value.  Doesn't need to be in there...they company is being greedy at the expense of your dog.

7. Crude animal Fat and Meat meal...I hate to really go here but this WILL change the way you look at dog food forever!  They take animals and basically process them until they unrecognizable as what they actually came from.  Why you ask? This comes from any kind of animal, it could be road kill, dead farm animals and euthanized dogs and cats.  Yes it is true....dogs and cats have steadily needed more of the chemical to euthanize since the onset of commercial dog food because they are absorbing it in their food!  To get crude animal fat they boil them and scrape the top layer off.  They also, process these animals they way they came to them...plastic bags, flea collars ect.  Oh and BTW a sister company of purina owns 7 of the 8 rendering plants in the US...or so I have been told.

8.  Many companies use a ethoxyquin, a fish preservative that has been banned by the FDA for human use because it is known to cause cancer.

9. And they charge a lot of money, because you think your giving your dog the best.  There are a lot of actual good foods for and affordable price.  And your dog will actually eat less because they are getting the nutrients they need without the fillers.

 

Okay I will get off my soap box, it is just a really big hot topic with me!  When looking for a food you want to look for something that is at least corn free, grain free is better.  Look for something that doesn't have any cheap filler, artificial flavors, preservatives and colors.  Stay away from the "big name" companies.  You want to look a mid level protein content (depending on your dogs age and physical demands).  Also, it is recommended to change the protein source every few months or so to help prevent food allergies, so a company that has similar formulas with different choices for protein is a plus.  I have personally given my dogs Wellness, they did well for a while then they started having loose stools so I changed to Taste of the Wild (Salmon) a few months ago.  It is 42$ a bag where I live which is very affordable compared to Wellnes at 58$ a bag, and my dogs get about 5 cups a day each.  Canidae is another good and affordable food.

Check out these websites for some more information.

www.dogfoodanalysis.com

www.thetruthaboutdogfood.com

Sorry for the super long rant but it really pisses me off that these companies mask their food ask the best money can by when it is anything buy.  Iams just came out with an all natural food...still garbage IMO.

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YEAH FOR CF!!!! 

Absoltely loved everything you said! I found the same thing when looking for a 'back up' food. (Just in case I haven't gone to the butcher for his raw) We also use dry food for treats. I couldn't believe how much crap is out there! 

We use Canidae or ZiwiPeak. The ZP is super hard to find here and only one really small pet store (animal free btw) sell the Canidae. So I either go there or buy online. 

I would highly recommend Canidae grain free to any one! They are middle of the range when it comes to cost here in AUS but by far the best, just behind ZP. We use it when we are away so I don't have to carry raw food with me and if Harley gets puppy sat by fam.

Never had a problem with it and his poop is actually a little firmer on it than when he is on Raw.

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This is interesting, Cleo was on Eukanuba since she was a puppy when the vet put her on Eukanuba intestinal as she had gardia and because she did so well on that we kept her on Eukanuba but the large breed puppy & junior variety.  We have had dobes for about 30 years but Cleo is one of the most excitable dobe we have had and from doing some research and speaking to other owners I began to think it was partly down to her food.  I changed her to Taste of the Wild a couple of months ago and she loves it.   We think she has calmed down or at least she calms down much quicker now but that may also be because she is maturing.   I can only get TOTW online but it is only slighly more expensive than Eukanuba which is listed as a grade 3 and TOTW is a grade 5 or 6.  I had not thought of changing the protein every couple of months but that is something I will do from now on.

Thanks CF for posting such interesting information.

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thank you ! good post.. i feed taste of wild, my dogs love it!

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I have worked at a holistic petstore here where I live for almost 5 years now and I agree with Control Freak! The ingredients are not good at all like Control Freak stated.

I would recommend the Taste of The Wild or Canidae or anything else with htese kind of ingredients. I would even go as far as going completely grain free and trying a totally different meat than what they are on to see if this helps (which it does with the dogs that I work with that have moderate to severe allergies). Most of my customers cannot afford to get allergy testing done so we try this method and 9 times out of 10 it helps and gets rid of their allergies. Now I am not a vet this is just from experiences with my customers!

 Look at the ingredients. Meat should be at least the first 3 ingredients for ex. chicken or chicken meal not chicken by product. Then the only grains that are good are like barley and brown rice the others like corn, wheat, and soy are not good at all!! But obviously this is just our opinions and our experiences.

Royal Canin is good for certain ailments that they make it for but I have never heard it work for dogs that have allergies or have dry skin. Again this is just my opinion....take it however you would like!

I hope you can figure something out and I hope he gets to feeling better and not so flaky!!

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Thank you I have been given a james well beloved hypo allergenic from the pet shop. I looked up taste of the wild online but neither pet shops knew what it was can I get this in england?

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WOOOOO-HOOOO!!!

GO CF!!!!

I agree with everything. It's why I feed grain free canned (Instinct) and raw. Grains can be a big offender concerning skin problems. I would only add a couple things - one, kibble protein is artificially manipulated. It's just not as healthy. That said, I've fed kibble. So I'm not gonna say don't ever do it. I greatly admire pet owners who make their pets' food themselves, but I'm not going to do that, either.

Secondly, and I posted this on another thread, but it's worth saying again......

The reason many vets recommend Science Diet is because Hill's goes INTO vet schools, teaches students their idea of nutrition, and then offers all new vets a sweet deal if they agree to put Science Diet in their new offices.

If your vet has not taken specific nutrition classes, they are not aware of all the information available about proper feeding.

Oh, and how often do I brush and bathe? The Dobies got brushed lightly when doing a seasonal shed. But baths? Only when they were skunked or rolled in something dead. Otherwise, they never smelled bad at all - just clean! 

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OK, I really need to interject here.  I've heard over and over again about the "sweet deal" that vets get from stocking Science Diet.  I was a manager of a veterinary hospital for years.  I did ALL the ordering, talked to all the reps., set the prices on retail items.  I am not in anyway validating Science Diet, just to be clear. However, Hill's DOES make a line of foods for dogs and cats that address specific problems, H/D, K/D, P/D, I/D etc.  These foods are targeted at common health problems that are seen in a practice, and important for an animal's health in that the levels of what is needed (i/e. protein etc.) for an illness are correct.  Granted, if a person was to research the problem and the solution, they could probably come up with a similar formula, given that now the internet is readily available and assuming that the information that anyone throws out there is correct.  But the average pet owner isn't willing to do that, hence the convience of stocking it in the hospital.  Yes, they stock Science Diet, but I've never heard once of the vets recommending it over a premium food. When the owners are feeding basic generic crud, then yes.  And yes, the vets do get to pocket a minimal mark up on the foods, just like they do for any over the counter product, just like any retail outlet would. Trust me, their practices do not depend of the amount of dog food they sell.

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 CF ~Thank you for sending me to this Forum! All the foods out there - it gets very confusing as to which is really the best or at least good for your dobie!  Ive gotten so much info on this site - Its been great and all of you are a lot of help!! Thanks to All of You! Im sure I will have lots more questions after Alexis comes home Monday! I have been reading and doing my homework for over 7 months now - so hopefully I will have a clue! LOL!

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Happydance -

I certainly respect your views on things, so please don't misunderstand my question. I truly want to know. Did the vets in the hospital you worked at receive any training in nutrition for their clients while they were in school? My understanding is that even now, many schools do not teach adequate nutrition classes in vet school. (And really, it's no different for human doctors!)

It seems to me that they are taught to diagnose illness that can be treated with medication, rather than improving diet. I'm also not suggesting that vets carry it because it's a sweet deal. My main objection is that quite often no other option is given.

There are so many nutritionally deficient illnesses - as evidenced by many here - that are not being diagnosed by allopathic veterinarians. Which is why I'm asking.

The reason I keep letting people know about Hill's going into vet schools is because my vet watched them do it. She went into a school, taught a supplementary class on holistic medicine, and saw the extent of nutritional classes. It was Hill's, going in, and teaching a supplementary class. And that was all that was offered. I think people need to know this. You don't know if your vet has any experience using nutrition to heal unless you ask questions! In my experience, all of the vets I have seen that carry Hill's do not have any alternative/holistic alternatives, or treatment, for that matter. It's simply not their mindset.

And that's ok. People who don't want alternative treatment for their pets are happy with that. There are just a lot of people who feel that allopathic treatment/diet is not working for their dogs/pets.

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I am down to picking between Blue Buffalo & Wellness for large breeds.  Any thoughts on which is the better of the 2? They are close - Blue has chicken and Wellness has Lamb. Whew ~ I put more into this than what I eat! LOL! Im just trying to find the best for the new pup Alexis! The protein fat ingredients are all close! Thanks! 

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O and p.s. Kim! Thanks for sending me to this forum with all the food info! Appreciate it! :-)

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You're welcome, Jim!

As for the difference between the two....is the breeder providing any food that your pup has been on already? If so, I would slowly switch over to the food you pick. If not, I would pick the same protein, so there's less possibility of tummy upset. (And if the breeder was feeding a high quality food and your pup was doing well on it, AND you can buy some, well that works, too!)    ;-)

Chicken is more easily digestible than lamb or beef. Doesn't mean you don't want to feed lamb or beef, just that it's easier.

And don't forget - when feeding a single protein, it's a good idea to rotate proteins once in a while. That way you avoid an allergy cropping up to that protein.

I rotate between chicken and lamb. (My dog has been highly allergic to beef since I got him as a pup.) When I can, I'll feed venison for a while - which he loves!

Lastly, just wanted to add, because even many holistic vets are unaware - many kibbles have Menhaden Fish Meal in them to replace grains. And many dogs simply can not tolerate it. Salmon, yes, Menhaden fish meal, no. The holistic vet I had in Boise did not know. But the feed supply store I bought dog food from did - they had a lot of people coming in whose dogs had problems with it.

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The breeder said that she was feeding her a high protein ADULT dog food - and at first they were getting puppy milk. I didnt agree but she said that puppy food makes them grow too fast and then when they are older - they tend to get arthritis etc. She said something about feeding them Diamond. If she is or not - I have no idea. ANd she is sending a little baggie home with her - which isnt going to last any time - so Im thinking that maybe I better start Alexis with the chicken ingrediants rather than the lamb. I didnt believe the breeder at first about feeding Adult dog food - but when I looked on line - there are a lot of breeders that do believe in feeding the larger breed dogs Adult food. Im not convinced. And most labels just say Omega - nothing about what type of fish. So do you know  about Wellness or Blue Diamond food? Thanks! and p,s, this is Rena (lol!)

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Kim, I want to interject here.  I think a lot of good has come out of people's interest in hollistic alternatives but at the same time when you start using it as a means to attack medical practices that have given us so many more years with our animals, our friends and family, I get a little frustrated.  Not that background matters, but I've been a vet tech for 8 years - currently work in an ER with interns directly out of vet school so I actually have first hand knowledge of the environments they are walking out of and their knowledge level.  My interns come to my hospital because we have 8 highly trained specialists for them to work under.  Do you think they'd take the additional paycut, the additional debt, to study in addition to their training if they were just out to get people for money?  It costs on average 200,000$ to go to UC Davis in CA.  By the time you are done paying that back on student loans, you've probably invested 300,000$ in your education.  Not to mention that the average veterinarian in CA (which is a higher paying state) makes about 70,000$ at their top earning capacity.  Seeing how vet school is more competitive and more intense to get into than med school where people could go and earn more money, I just can't reason the argument that these people are only out for your money.

Science Diet has tried and true diets that help sick and dying animals.  K/D has been shown to increase the longevity of lives of renal failure in cats.  You can go ahead and make the same ingredients, as Wendy said, to reach the same goal (your 'hollistic' approach).  But the average person just wants a bag of kibble and wants their animal to be healthy.

No one goes into veterinary medicine with the intention of swindling and scamming you.  No one is failing you because they did not take additoinal classes in some hollistic practices.  It infuriated me when the AVMA started letting ONE seminar on chiropractic care to allow veterinarians to adjust animals.  I feel the same way about the ONE seminar they need for acupuncture adn the ONE seminar they need on nutrition.  There is no one person that is going to be a catch-all and have all the knowledge.  That's what specialists are for and should be for.

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Well said Jes.  Like I have said before my vet is very holistic and some times it gets to be  a little much.  For example I took Sully in for chin acne and he immedietely went to a food allergy.  Granted I walked out with a small bill (as I usually do) but it did nothing to help my problem.  He doesn't want to prescribe antibiotics until we do a food trial.  I have been down that road with my cat and it is not fun.  That being said i had spent several thousands on my cat for skin problems to no avail...less then 400$ at his office he had it all figured out.  So I think we need a healthy median between the two.

As far as science diet...Just my opinion as I have no vetrinary background.  I think It does have the proper levels of ingreidients to help specific problems.  I just wish it had higher quality ingredients.

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 So can you still help me out here? Wellness or Blue Diamond? If you had a new pup what would it be? Thanks!

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blue buffalo not DIamonD!!!

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Jim, when it comes to those two foods, they are in the same category.  They are both well grade foods, not completely grain free but have high quality ingredients and no corn.  It is a coin toss, pick one and see how your pup does on it.  I have used both..Athena wasn't crazy about Blue Buffalo and then I switched to Wellness and it went well for awhile then we started having a lot of diarrhea.  That's when we switched to TOTW.  The only other thing is I know Blue Buffalo has had several recalls so keep an eye on that.

Sorry this all got a little off topic.

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"I think a lot of good has come out of people's interest in hollistic alternatives but at the same time when you start using it as a means to attack medical practices that have given us so many more years with our animals, our friends and family, I get a little frustrated."

Ok, I'm not sure where I have attacked medical practices. I have an allopathic vet I use when I need tests done, etc. I love him dearly, have known him for 15 years, and he gave me one of my dogs.  He is also the vet who recommended I put my dog on antacids for acid reflux, when in fact she had IBD and was allergic to everything I was feeding her. Do I blame him, or attack him? No, I don't. He wasn't taught to recognize food allergies, and doesn't know how to test for them.

All I have been trying to say is that when allopathic medicine isn't working, it would be good to consider something else. Just as CF said - a healthy median between the two.

I don't believe anyone who goes into veterinary practice sets out to, as you put it Jeshykai, "scam and swindle" me. Where did I infer anything like that?

I have read, and re-read my post. If there is something in there that offends you, I apologize. It was not my intent.

And Rena? My personal opinion, if it still means anything to you after all this.....

Blue Buffalo. I liked it, and so did my dogs. Best of luck with your new pup, and I'd love to see some pictures!

(Of course, right after I post that, I see CF's post. I was not aware of recalls - so I guess I'd have to rescind that recommendation. I don't give dog foods many chances so far as recalls go....)

I agree with the adult dog food instead of puppy. All my pups were put on adult dog food, as they were all going to grow to be big (65+ lb.) dogs. Again, just my opinion.

I, too, am sorry this post veered so far off topic.

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LOL! Kim And CF ~ I value BOTH of your opinions! You've helped me alot! Going to pet store tomorrow. Alexis comes home on Monday!! YEAH!!!  Will post pix as soon as I calm down. And ny the way - I have no clue how to post pix on this site! lol! ANy advice ever at all -- Send my way please and THANKS!!! Rena (CF - its Rena == my husband Jim isnt into posting ~ He sells computers - doesnt like to surf them much! lol!)

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Thank you, Rena. I am SO excited for you!!! As for the pics - you'll have to hope someone else can help you. Then I'll read it, and learn too - lol!  I've wanted to post a pic of my Dober/Dal girl under the raw diet thread for a while now.

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Thanks Kim! I have another question now though....since Alexis Hasnt been eating Puppy food - should I just go for the regular dog food? Doesnt make sense to go backwards and put her on puppy food now.

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Well, Rena, it's up to you!

On another thread about a pup having bladder problems, I posted a couple of posts about high protein and/or puppy food, and the experience I had with it. One of the members here, HarleyBear, I think - posted something somewhere else about cutting back on the high protein - I think she found some data that indicates the kidneys do have to work harder when protein levels are high.

So...FYI....Here's the thread.

http://www.gentledoberman.com/forums/doberman-pinscher-discussion/doberman-health/excretion-troubles

 

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Thanks Kim! I think Alexis is going straight to the Dogs! Lol! DOG not Puppy Food!

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Hi guyes does anyone know if you can get taste of the wild in england?

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I am not sure, go to their website and look for retailers.

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Poogie,

I think you may have to buy it online and have it shipped.  I don't know how customs feels about food crossing borders, just some things you would have to consider.  I just ordered some ear powder from the UK and it got to California really quickly. Although it wasn't food it still got opened and inspected (suspicious looking white powder).   Hopefully that helps!

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Thanks guys. I will maybe give it a go as we have been told to try James well beloved any views on that?

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Poogie, I order TOTW through Zooplus.co.uk

http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/dogs/dry_dog_food/taste_of_the_wild

Fast delivery too.   Cleo loves it :)

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I should have said I bought a small bag first to try it but quickly ordered the double pack which lasts about 2 months.  I caught Cleo the other day standing with her head in the food bin having a feast as I had forgotten to close the lid ... and she had just finished her meal.  

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Oh Naughty Cleo!  The trick is to not leave any evidence, not even on the tip of your nose!  Ellie will have to travel across the big pond and give you a lesson on sneaking food!

 

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Way to go Ellie, Archie is good at that too but Cleo hasn't yet worked out that she needs to do it quietly so she doesn't get caught.