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Hello,

We started looking for a black, big male (European) Doberman. We are in the Seattle area. We have reached out to three breeders but have only heard back from one and still no info., after over a month. We want cropped and docked.

We have been owned by Giant Schnauzers for many years. We currently have a 10 month young puppy and two cats who are use to our Giant Boys. We enjoy the intelligence and stubborness of the working breed. We have always admirered the Doberman and want to be owned by one.

 

Have you tried any of the DPCA breeders?  They will not be European, but there are very few reputable breeders of European Dobermans in the US.  Also remember that Dobermans are not supposed to be really big - with excess size, comes more health issues. 

I will also tell you that good breeders don't breed often (a litter a year is pretty average), and have been inundated with puppy requests during this pandemic. 

Lastly, if your Giant Schnauzer is a male, I would not get a male Doberman. Male Dobermans are notoriously male on male dog aggressive at maturity - they might be fine with another male for a couple of years... maybe even longer, but the majority of them will not be fine living with another male dog by 2-3 years of age.  No reputable breeder will sell you a male Doberman if you have another male dog in your home.  It is better to know this up front so you can avoid the heartache of having to rehome one of your dogs, or the risk of a serious fight injuring one or both of your dogs.... or injuring the person trying to break them up. 

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Thank you for this information. I should have clarified better; not large like out of standard or otherwise, just male and well, larger than the female. Like our Giants we never had anything out of the ordinary, they were of "show" standards/quality.

I heard once: "I like a dog I can bump into, not step on".

I was curious about the Male Doberman and our Male Giant, we have had male and male giants (not brothers), they were absolutely inseparable, one being older (2yrs) and taking the older responsibility and the other falling in line, Pack order.

We have never had a female Giant. I was reading on this site about male/female Dobermans and totally agree with the information in regard to female.

Has no one ever had two male dobermans (not brothers)? My giant will be larger and older by their respective breed standards. Our training begins soon after arrival and extends throughout their life. My wife and I just really perfer the male dogs. We exercise and walk our dogs a great deal. They do not get to lay around being bored. This is a little disconcerting.

We are upfront about our having a giant male already, perhaps this is why we do not hear back from the breeders?

Sure some people have been successful at keeping males together - but it is NOT the norm and I would not recommend it.  I can honestly say that I would not sell you a male - it has currently been 8 years since my last litter, so not like I have any right now anyway haha. 

I've had Dobermans since 1993, and can honestly say that I'd never keep two males together. Heck, I've had aggression issues with two sets of bitches, and it is a PITA.  I manage the bitches, but probably won't do it again.  Same sex aggression in Dobermans is more common in males, but can happen in bitches too. 

I have no idea about how Giant Schnauzers are as far as dog aggression. They for sure are Beautiful dogs!

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I was curious about the Male Doberman and our Male Giant, we have had male and male giants (not brothers), they were absolutely inseparable, one being older (2yrs) and taking the older responsibility and the other falling in line, Pack order.

We have never had a female Giant. I was reading on this site about male/female Dobermans and totally agree with the information in regard to female.

Has no one ever had two male dobermans (not brothers)?

Could not pay me to have a male dog in my home so there is that but...

What you said about pack order is real and once that pack order is established the owner has to reinforce those rules. You let them run wild with no rules / boundaries - Yes you will have problems. If you maintain order - There will be order.

Pretty sure that the 'lads', Zeus and Apollo from Magnum PI were both males. Higgins had no problems that I could see. I never saw a single episode where a same sex dog fight broke out. I did however notice that they could and would respond to both 'community' and 'individual' commands with ease... (LOL!)

Facts about the sexes of those Magnum PI dogs that were really used for those that may be interested:

According to Larry Manetti's book Aloha Magnum, Zeus and Apollo were played by several different Doberman Pinchers throughout the show's run. In the first half of Season One, three local Doberman Pinchers were used, two female dogs named "Cola" and "Nohea", and one male named "Joe". When their trainer, Karl Lewis Miller, left the show mid-season, professional Hollywood animal trainer Scott E. Hart was brought in as the official animal supervisor for the show. At the beginning of Season Two, the producers had Scott Hart bring his own dogs from the mainland, and they were two males and one female. The two males were "Whiskey" and "Brutus" and the female was "Dominique". At the beginning of Season Four, Scott was told that the dogs were being written out of the script in order to save costs. However, the "Lads" were saved by Tom Selleck and John Hillerman who didn't want the show to go on without them!

I wonder why that last trainer had a pair of males? Did he not get the memo and hear how dangerous that was? 

And the first trainer with the pair of females? He must have been nuts and ignored every bit of advice he ever got from the internet. :)

Have 3 females here currently and all are about the same age. Yes, It is a lot more work in some respects but in many other areas the learning seems to happen faster and come more easily.

No issues with everyone getting along. Same with the previous pair of females and the pair of females before that...

In multi dog homes names are important and need to be used frequently to avoid confusion.

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I really don't think you can judge this situation from a TV show where you see exactly what they want you to see on the screen, and you have no idea what went on behind the scenes. 

 

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Was still two great examples of truly 'professional' trainers with same sex Doberman pairs...

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And you have no idea how they lived, whether they were kept completely separate in their normal lives and only worked together.  And beyond that, the normal/average owner is not a professional trainer. 

Carolyn Irvine / Royolyn Dobermans in Alberta, Canada writes on her site:

Am.Ch.Royolyn's Lyric Schauffelein CDX was a 'Movie Star' as one of the two Dobermans featured in 'Magnum P.I.' Lyric was owned and trained by Larry Ng.