What kind of Crop?

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I know there are 3 types of crops: Show, Meduim and Military. I need opinions which ones is the most popular and which one looks the best? As far as I know I like the Show or the Medium.

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A good vet will look at the dogs head and size and go from there -It really isn't a you pick kind of thing for the most part unless you want a pet/military crop. If you want a longer crop a good vet who knows his stuff will make that decision based on the pup.

Here is a previous post about ears with photos.

http://www.gentledoberman.com/forums/doberman-pinscher-discussion/doberm...

The best thing you can do is go to the DPCA website and look up breeders in your area. Email or call and ask for a good cropping vet around you. If you cant find any then interview vets you do find that crop. Ask for pictures of Dobermans that they have done. Ask how the surgery is performed and when the dog leaves the office is it on a cone or do they leave the ears flop until stitches are out.

What you want to stay away from is the rounded bat effect that so many of the vets leave on the ears. They like to leave a lot of bell which takes away from the lovely head of the Doberman. When looking at the Dobermans head from straight on which is what you want to do when picking a crop. YOu want to see a nice blunt shaped head. You dont want to see the dogs nice head and a rounded ear. You want the lines to be clean and straight. Doesn't matter if it considered show, pet or military. Cropping is not something that is taught in vet school and unfortunately the vets that do crop only have one method of cropping and dont ever really get beyond that. A good vet will be able to look at the dogs head and crop accordingly. Where I'm located we do have vets in town that crop and have cropped for ever, but to get a decent job done I would have to drive at least 8 hours.

Dont jump on the first vet you find that crops ears. Those that crop will say they have done it forever and do have the dogs to prove it, but you need to look at the entire picture how it is done what is done afterwards and the actual photos of Dobermans that have been cropped.

Good luck with  your search, take some time and do it right.

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I love the look of the military crop... It looks soo regal and fetching (pic copied over from google)

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Buddy has the medium crop........., which one looks best depends on dogs head and foreseeing how it will look when he is a adult.

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If you plan on showing your dog do you have to have the show crop?

If you are planning on showing in conformation then YES you would want a show crop. Keep in mind that show crops come in different lengths, long and medium, you would never want a short crop though.

Although are breed is not considered a head breed, ears and the way they look do matter. One of the last things a judge does is walk down the line of dogs and look at the head. What is most important is when you look at the dog from front profile meaning dead on face forward you want to see an unbroken wedge shape line from the muzzle all the way back to the back of the head, it should be in a wedge shape. The ears should not take away and break this line. So many vets that really don't know how to crop leave a lot of bell and don't know how to shape the ear to get this unbroken line. It is a fine art. If a person is going to show in conformation then you need to get a professional cropper to do the job. Not any crop will pass in the ring.

If you don't like the show crop then show in different areas such as agility, obedience, or rally. It doesn't matter what they look like for that type of showing.

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How long does it take for the show crop to stand? I'm trying to get a feel for things because I originally didn't even know you had to post the ears! I'm so glad I found this site lol or I would be so lost.

It all varies depending on the different dogs. Most of the show crops are standing by about 8mo. Mine is 15mo and I'm having issues with one of his ears and we are still wrapping that one. He has been out of wraps for a week now and is doing okay will see if I need to wrap again.

More importantly to learn more about the Doberman and differnet issues that they face I would recommend this page she has some good links and excellent info I highly recommend for any new person looking to get into a Doberman.

http://glengate.webs.com/buyingguide.htm

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Medium crop is wonderful and usually pretty easy to train, but again it depends on the head, a good vet will discuss this with you and show examples, the after crop care is vital to whether they stand or not, sometimes it takes alot of patience as user (mddobermans) has explained, they are still working with 1 ear, that happens, their profile pic is a long show cut (beautiful!!!) but sometimes takes more effort, Please don't let anyone talk you into a very short cut, just because its easy, cause you dont want a Pitt Bull cut.

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Hey, your boy Buddy is beautiful!!! his ears are perfect! I really love a medium crop too!

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TY KATT!!!

 

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Katt, I don't like the short crop because it's "easy". I personally LOVE the look of it. I like the look of the long crops too, I just like the short ones better.

When you are speaking of crops  for conformation shows , short crops will never win. Not that I have anything agaisnt people that want a short crop that is their preference just as my preference is for a medium to long show crop. I'm just saying that you will never see a short cropped dog be competitive in conformation.

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I prefer the short to medium crop too, not for any particular reason I guess I just like the look of it... rnddobermans is that Paris as your avatar? Because that dog has beautiful ears!

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Yes, Des, I do realize that short crops aren't going to win out in any conformation shows, but I'm not going to be showing my baby, so I don't see any reason not to get the short crop. Like I said before... I've got nothing against the long crops, I just prefer the short ones... and Des, Paris is extremely beautiful... all your babies are!!

Yes Paris is my avatar. Wolfgirl I realize you are not going to show your future Doberman, my post is not directed to you. This is for informational purposes ONLY. A question was asked by Seiitsu about show crops. I'm only giving the info in regards to this. I'm going to include a few more photos of Paris' crop and a body shot so you can see how long they are in comparison to her entire body. Believe it or not their are other show dogs that have longer crops than hers. I think sometimes breeders go over board with length and in my opinion they start to look like donkeys running around the ring. Paris' ears are what I strive for as a breeder when we have show puppies cropped. They are perfect in length, shape and form for the show ring. They scream elegance and style which is what I want. When you look at her from a dead on frontal pose you do not get a broken line of head then ears. They go back into and carry on the wedge shaped head. The last thing you want to see is a bell breaking the lines of the beautiful head (IN the SHOW ring)

Here are a few close up's so you can see more of her ear, I realize they are not the ear for everyone, this is however what we look for in the CONFORMATION RING.

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She is beautiful- I hope Cisco's and Raven's ears turn out that well!

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But if I want to do agility or obedience they can be medium crops, correct?

Absolutely just like I said in my original post if you don't want to do conformation then it doesn't matter. In all different areas of competition such as obedience, agility, flyball, Schutzhund, tracking...you are not judged on how the dog looks it is how the dog performs, so who the heck WOULD care. In the conformation ring the dog is judged on how closely it resembles the breed standard. It's much like a beauty contest only the best win.

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@ rnd...Sorry Des, I wasn't being snippy, I realize your post was informational, I was just explaining my choice to get his ears done that way. I didn't realize that it wasn't directed towards me and I'm sorry about that.

@Seiitsu... I'm not sure it matters what their ears look like in agility, idk about obedience, but I'm pretty sure It doesn't matter as long as they have the ability.

Wolfgirl my post to you was not meant to offend you either. I was just stating why I posted what I did, it wasn't to offend anyone. I know there are only 2 of us on this entire board that show dogs in conformation so when someone asks I feel I have to respond and give the correct information about it.

Again in case anyone missed both of my posts pointing out that it doesn't matter in ALL other sport competition WHAT the dogs ears look like. Those sports are not judging WHAT the dog LOOKS like compared to the Doberman standard. They are judging HOW the dog PERFORMS. Hope that clears up all confusion.

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Thx Des!!!!!  I didn't think it was to offend me... most of my posts I write in a laughing and/or happy state of mind... and it does clear it up. I think we wrote our last posts at the same time... as when I was writing my last post (aka ears) I didn't see your explination of ears in other sports... whoopsie.

LOL I think you are right! That happens quite often to me I will write something and go to look at it and someone has posted the answer.

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It's happened sooo many times... I usually cut my text, then reload the page to see if someone already posted an answer to my question or answered the question that I was answering.

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Thanks so much!

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Thank you for your opinions and replies!! When I get my future doberman..I would love to do agility but no I don't plan on showing my doberman. I didn't know they have different lengths in just the show crop. So depending on the size of the dog's head, that's when you can choose what crop? also based on the size of the bell?

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mddobermans. You dog does have beautiful ears!! :)

This is a very unfortunate thing because 9 out of 10 vets that crop do not know how to do a decent job. What I mean by that is the bad croppers have one basic way of cropping. They are not able to look at the dogs head and crop accordingly. If you find one that does consider yourself very lucky. Most vets can talk the talk and dont want to admit that there are other ways to do things or admit that they aren't the best.

The main difference in a show crop would be firsthand the length secondly the bell and side of the ear. Like I tried to describe (not the best at describing lol) you want to look at the dog straight on and you don't want to see the bell of the ear sticking out or a lot of side left on the ear that gives it a mickey mouse rounded effect.

Now a good cropper takes the show crop and will adjust this into various lengths for the pet crop. They will also leave a tad bit more base on. Such as we see a lot of medium crops. It doesn't have the length of the show crop but does not have the large bell or side ear that takes away from the beauty of the Dobermans head. We have a few members on here that have very nice pet crops.

You mentioned something about the bell, all dogs basically have the same size of base or bell to the ear if you will. So sizing on this doesn't mean a thing. Dogs ears do not continue to grow after cropping but the head does. So a dog with a tad bit longer cut when they are a puppy grow into the crop as they grow a good vet will know this and crop accordingly. I think Cisco's are a great example of this. On the other thread when we showed different crops she posted a photo of him with his ears not posted. Im sure that many were thinking how long they looked. In reality they will be beautiful when he is full grown and a very appropriate length for a male dog.

Lots to think about with cropping, and choosing a vet to do the work. It helps if you contact DPCA members around your area and ask if they have a vet that they would recommend. Even the aftercare that the vets do vary so much. So to find a good vet to do the surgery is key. I wish that it was something that they taught in school, I'm sure in the future it will be one of the privileges we loose as other countries have experienced. It is really a dying art.

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I definitely like the look of the show crop and the meduim but i'm not a big fan of the military because I personally think it takes beauty away from the doberman. And mddobermans I also wish Ear Cropping was something they could teach in Vet school, because this procedure shouldn't be taken lightly. It is art.

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It really is, I hope I'll be able to find someone to do a good crop by the time I get my dobie

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We had a vet in mind for a crop, but he had a heart attack, he isn't doing so well. He did Gordy's crop and all my cousins danes... he has pics of Dobe ears he's done and we liked them.

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Hopefully he will be okay to be able to crop your future dobe's ears, but if not he should be able to recommend someone else for you. :)

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 I was wondering when I get my future dobie..Do the breeders usually already have the ears cropped or do you have to decide that for yourself? Puppies i know usually go to new homes after 8 weeks of age..So how old does the puppy have to be to have its ears cropped?

A GOOD & REPUTABLE breeder will most definitely have the ears cropped for you they are done around 8 weeks old and usually let go to new homes after stitches are removed.

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I don't know how reputable my breeder is - but Cisco's ears were down at 7 weeks and we brought him home at 8 weeks.

Ravens ears were to be left natural for her original owner- but when she came back to breeder at 11 weeks she had them down then and we took her home at 13-14 weeks....