Ear cropping in Michigan

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Can anyone recommend a good vet for getting my dobes ears cropped in Michigan, preferably near or in Lansing?

 

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The vet that did my Danes ears retired, or I would give you his number... I don't know of any other's, sorry... what part of Michigan do you live in? I live in Leslie, about 20 miles south of Lansing. 

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Thank You for the info.  The search continues.  I live In Lansing right by Grosbeck.  I'm willing to travel if I have to.  I just don't know any Lansing vets, I'm sure there is one around here though.

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There is a vet in allegan that does is well known for his crops. My breeder uses him and he did Sullys ears but I don't know his name since sully came cropped. We live just outside of Ann arbor.

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We were incredibly happy with the vet who done Mia's ears.  A little pricey but he's been doing ears for 25 years.  The other great thing is he will change the posts for you every week for $8.00. $450.00 for the crop.

 

Adrian Animal Clinic

1898 W. Maumee

Adrian, MI 49221

517-265-8975

 

Also has a web site.

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$450!  LOL!  Thank You for the info, just a bit out of my budget.  

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The vet I use has 30 years of experence and also does great work.... 190 dollars... (also does the post every week for 8 dollars) guess living in Michigan is a LOT more expensive than central illinois.

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When I was searching for Vet offices that do ear cropping I came across this website that lists all the croppers in the U.S and I actually used one after calling around the ones in California asking for prices and after care procedures. The site is here http://www.familydobes.com/ear_cropping.htm

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Why isn't the breeder taking care of this for you and for the puppy?  Shouldn't they know who is a talented cropping vet in the area? 

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Our breeder did recommend but who wants to drive 162 miles when I can drive 2 miles to a very reputable vet!

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Glenate,

My breeder lives over two hours away from me.  I'm getting my pup at week eight and don't wish to crop until about week 9 or 10.  He did recommend a vet and she charges $135 which I thought was low, but who am I to question what she charges.  

I was hoping to find a vet in my area to help if any problems arise and who know maybe use them as my regular vet.  I am confident I can handle cropping care on my own and prefer it that way.  The work I do can be done from my home (I'm in the IT field), so the dog is going to have a lot of care and supervision from me 24/7 if need be.

 

Dennis, I couldn't agree with you more ;).  

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Ear crops should be done as soon as possible,9-10 weeks is still okay but any longer and you are likely to have issues.  Also, 450$ is not outrageous for price...I paid 650+ for Athena's ears and Sully came from a much more reputable breeder and was cropped prior to coming home for 300$.  What Glengate is trying to say is most reputable breeders have the puppies cropped prior to coming home, because cropping is not taught in vet school and is and art learned from another experienced vet.  There are MANY vets that claim they know what they are doing and DON'T and MANY terrible horror stories about mangled ears and unsuccessful crops.  Do your homework and use a well known vet, look at references.

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Thank You all for the info.  I think I found a place right here in Lansing.

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Some things to consider:

1)  Puppies go through a fear period around 9-11 weeks, so it's going to be less of an issue if they are still with their breeders and littermates who they know. 

2)  Puppies that get cropped as a litter are less apt to be all self-involved with their ears because they've still got littermates to distract them.

3)  Breeders often receive a litter and/or breeder discount when having a litter cropped.  Ideally, you should pay less in the long run when the breeder takes care of this for you.

4)  A breeder SHOULD be very well experienced with the process, and can provide optimal care to the puppies while they are in stitches and healing, and SHOULD train the buyers on how to post and provide posting help, as needed.  You shouldn't have to seek help from a vet for this. 

5)  A breeder SHOULD also know who does the most attractive crops in the region

6)  If the breeder really cares about their puppies, they don't foist them onto puppy owners and leave them to flounder around with finding a cropping vet, hoping they get through the procedure ok and expecting someone else to deal with it.

7)  Puppies can DIE during cropping.  Not a nice fact, but a fact nonetheless.  If your puppy dies during cropping after you bought it and took it home from the breeder, what recourse do you have? 

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Very good information and I see your points, but regardless it's still not an option for me. My breeder simply does not do cropping and recommending a vet that does it, which unfortunately is pretty far from me. So, why would I go out of the way when I have multiple doctors right by me? And if I still had the option for the breeder to do, I probably would opt out.

I understand (and respect) why you think the breeder should take care of this. By taking care of cropping, you eliminate most of the risk of damaging both the pup and the owner. A lot of people just don't even want the responsibility and are more than happy to pay to opt out to begin with. They get the dog all polished up and ready to go.

I'm not that type of person. If I'm buying a bike (poor example I know), I buy the parts and build it myself. I mold it into what I want. I'm willing to take the sweet with the sour. Just how I am and don't like the idea of adopting a dog that late. I'm always jealous of the breeder getting the best bonding time (6 to 8 weeks) with the dog that is supposed to live with me.

I almost wasn't even going to buy a pure bred dog, just because I knew I would be faced with this type of attitude from breeders. But, I've never encountered so much arrogance in my life when I decided to get a dobe. People ignoring my calls, replying rudely to emails, looking down on me and I'm a DINK with a house, dog experience, time, money, and huge yard. I"m not the only one to experience this and was warned about this as soon as I decided to look for a AKC certified dog. If my sister is reading this "your right." Can't believe I said that LOL!

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Like I said in other postings d-spaghetti, take peoples information with a grain of salt. People are always going to be dramatic and relate one horror story when it comes to the breed. You will be fine with your selection. It's your dog, you are informed, go with your instincts. I've found that people on this web page like to think they're "all that." Go with your gut feeling, you'll be fine.  Just use this sight for info and ignore the people who know it all. (or think they do!) Good Luck! Can't wait to hear from you after the cropping.

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Let me tell you the people who bring these puppies into the world are responsible for placing them in a nice home.  Respectable breeders have wait list upon wait lists.  You can't just call them and say "hey you have puppies I want one."  I waited 6 months for Sully, pick male...and would have waited 2 years for a pet. They require meeting you, evaluating you and sometimes your home.  Also, you say you have no kids...that could be a red flag for some breeders...if you are young and have no kids, you might be having kids in the near future.  Then where does that leave the dog?  These people dedicate their lives to this breed and you may call it arrogance but we cal it compassion.  Truthfully, I experienced it both ways...a hobby breeder, that was never there for me, didn't crop the ears but gave me a recomendation.  Well that vet didn't do ears any more.  So I was left on my own to do it myself,  I ended up spending close to 1000$ when it is all said and done...yep ear crop this much $$ but that is ONLY the crop, what about all the other stuff, overnight stay, anesthetic, pain meds ect.  Then I had Sully who came cropped and ready to go, it was much easy, I had her for support any questions I needed and she showed me how to post.  

I am not saying it is a terrible thing to get a puppy not cropped but it surely makes things a little easier.  Also, remember just because you call a vet and say do you crop? Does not mean they are quailified to crop.  You might end up with beautiful ears or you might end up with mangled ears.  Glengate mentioned the 9-11 week fear period.  You have to be cautious about what you expose your pup too,  they can develop lifetime irrational fears...

Lastly, you should not take this puppy home at 6 weeks.  Puppies need to be with their littermates until at least 8 weeks.  They learn vital socialization skills from the litter and their momma in this short amount of time.  6 weeks is too young whether they are completely weened or not.

Step outside your box and take the advice you came here seeking.

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Cheese and Forking Rice!

All I was trying to do was find a vet close to me that can crop.  I live in the most populated part of Michigan (all major Michigan cities an hour or less from me), so why would I drive some four or more hours out of my way when I'm surrounded by vets?  I thought I would of least found a few on here, at least for the Detroit and Ann Arbor area.  If you really want to know, I was actually hoping to find some info on vets that do laser cropping.  IMO much safer and more humane for a puppy.  No stitches, less pain, and less healing time therefore less chances of infection.  For all you show dog types I have no idea how pretty it is, but for people like me that want a dog as a family member I'm all about less pain and quicker healing time.  

But, your absolutely right.  Only breeders know anything about dogs.  Forget that I even asked for a vet that knows how to crop, since there is obviously only one known in the entire state of Michigan worthy of doing it.  I'm having a special trophy made just for him right now.  I'm paying exactly $450 dollars for it in honor of this post, so if you would like to chip in just let me know.  But what good is it anyway when I am, but a mortal man that doesn't breed dogs and is not worthing healing a cropped puppies ears.        

I'll call my breeder up today and see what I'm naming my dog, inform him the vet he recommends won't do because she only charges a couple hundred bucks, and isn't far enough away for to me drive in case I have a problem with my doberman's ears (it's better having wounded puppy for a long car ride, instead of short ride right?).  Then I'll secretly report him to the top secret doberman breeder police squad for not cropping my dogs ears.  I guess the penaly is neutering and then obedience school, so I'm glad I'm not him.  

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LOL! Love it! Now you're getting the idea.

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No one said there was only one vet in Michigan worthy of cropping ears...actually you got two recommendations. One in allegan and one in Adrian. You came here looking for advice and it was given but you details iced not to accept it. I even said its not terrible to have to deal with cropping yourself but it is much more convenient yo have it done before you bring your puppy home, especially since you have never been through. the cropping experience before. I hadhave to deal with cropping all by myself with my first Doberman and it was a struggle to say the least. Even though her ears stand beautifully, it took 10 months for her medium pet crop to stand because I listened to my vet and trusted him instead of the experienced Doberman people. He would leave her ears unlisted for days at a time even if they flopped...we are lucky she never developed a crease which would have made her ears never stand. But I am sure your know all about that.

You talk about pain and healing time...the longer you waiting the more painful the procedure and the longer it takes to heal...ideally you should crop between 7-8 weeks. But you wrote that off too.

Also getting it done by laser sounds like a good idea in theory but you will end up with more problems in the long run. Although I don't know why I am even taking the time to tell you since you have already made up your mind.

BTW I am not a breeder nor a show person...Sully is my first show dog and I have no idea what I am doing but am slowly learning thanks to all the wonderful contacts I have made.

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I am cropping between 7-8 weeks.

Now laser vs scalpel. This is worthy of a debate. The Laser have been proven time and time again to create less scaring and heal much much sooner. The procedure is also much less painful on the animal as well. How would that be worse than the scalpel method? Both ways remove the unwanted skin from the ears, but only one doesn't require stitches (and the extra pain and discomfort caused by them) and heals up very cleanly and quickly. In fact, the wound is cauterized which prevent unwanted bleeding. Now how would this cause more problems?

Either way you would still have to tape and post the ears to teach the to stand upright, but at least the laser method is almost healed giving you a head start on healing.

Also, and this is strictly hypothetical, if you had two Samurai of equal skill and one was given a light saber and the other a Katana (Samurai sword to the layperson) who do you think would win? Also keep in mind each weapon is to be of equal size and weight.

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O yes, the all too relevant light saber v. samurai sword debate. 

I wish your puppy the best of luck.

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For some reason, the above statement made me think of Sean Connery's line in the movie "The Untouchables" that was something along the lines of 'dont bring a knife to a gunfight'...or something like that.  Yeah---I'm residing out in left field this morning.  LOL

Good luck to you and your pup and the cropping procedure.  I've always had my dobermans ears cropped, and I've had several over the past couple of decades.   Never had a problem.

yet another thread taken way to personally.

I just wanted to comment on the laser surgery. We have a vet that has been cropping ears for 30+ years that has an office about 2 miles away from us. I would say it has been about 8-10 years ago he started doing the laser cropping. I've never used his office to crop my puppies because I have to have a certain type of crop for show so I use someone that specializes in my breed and specifically show crops. With that being said I do like the idea of the laser crop.

I can  see how you might not need sutures on the long part of the ear where the running sutures would be placed but I cant imagine the base of the ear not having to be stitched. I can hardly wait to see this vet the next time and ask him for more details. The office is always trying to talk me into using him for  cropping and the vet is always intrigued by my ear crop and studies the ear every time I bring one of my dogs in. BTW vets in our area charge 1000.00 for an ear crop with after care! So when someone buys a puppy from a byb for cheap and they want the ears cropped they are in for a big surprise in this area lol. By the time they are done with the entire purchase of the puppy and ear crop they could have bought a well bred, nice looking puppy, from health tested breeding stock and a reputable breeder.

No use to read between any of the lines I wrote, nothing was meant to offend anyone I'm just interested in the laser part of the surgery. If you do use the laser cropping I would love to see photos of the crop right after and am interested in your aftercare and when you can start posting.

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I remember Jerial getting a laser crop and the outcome was horrific.

 http://www.gentledoberman.com/forums/doberman-pinscher-discussion/doberman-pinscher-ears/horrific-ear-cropping-story

You can read about it here and see the pictures in her gallery

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rnd, it could be one of those situations where the vet doesn't bother with the ear base, like the ones we know of.  But what do we know?  We're just know-it-all, arrogant breeders.  Who will continue to see botched crops from the newbies that know better. 

I was given the option of having Shelby and Kizzy's spay surgeries via laser when I lived in the states.  It was also explained to me that the stitches would have to stay in LONGER because the edges of the incision are too clean with laser and don't meld together as well. 

control freak I remember that thread and I took some crap for that one. I forgot the fact it was a laser crop though. I still think it is a crying shame what happened to that dogs ears and still have the very same opinion I posted then. Do your homework, as someone that sees way to many BAD and UGLY crops that is just one example. 

Yes Glengate what do we know LOL.

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I WAS LOOKING FOR A VET THAT CAN CROP EARS CLOSE TO WERE I LIVE, NOT GET A SERMON ON WHY A BREEDER SHOULD DO IT!  I DO NOT HAVE THE OPTION OF HAVING MY BREEDER CROP MY DOGS EARS.  GOT IT OR ARE YOU JUST THAT DENSE?

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I really should walk away from this topic since it is clearly a waste of my time but I can't. Spaghetti- obviously you are the one who is dense...you got the information you came seeking and some more from very experienced people. We are trying to give you a warning and like I said before it is not a terrible thing to deal with cropping on your own BUT there are some precautions you need to consider. I am by no means an extremely experienced member but what I have seen and learned have been a truly eye opening experience. You say your getting the puppy at 8 weeks then say your cropping between 7-8 weeks...which is it? You say money is an issue and that you don't want to put your puppy through the pain...why not leave him natural? You say its not an option for the breeder to crop...why not find another breeder? People are truly trying to save you heartache...why not stop being so stubborn and listen to them.
RND- I forgot how much flack you took on that post I had to go a reread it. I still agreements with tour comment..VERY bad ear job, botched tail and she posted some pics of demodex mange. Very obviously from a BYB. I am sure they love you her just the same but probably ended up spending a lot more and vet bills then they would have spent on a quality puppy...hopefully lesson learned. I learned mine from all the wonderful advice I have received here. I don;t know how you all continue doing all that you do cus quite frankly I am getting tired.

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Whatever, your a control freak. You need to not take this so personally, I was just messing with you and Glengate if you, I really don't know how much more obvious I have to be. The world already has to many serious people and I'm getting a dog to escape that. You and Glengate kinda highjacked my thread which in forum etiquette gives me a license to mess with you in order to keep my post from turning into something else.

But.....

WooHoo!, Thank you Dobie_Love1465 for posting the link from familydobes.com. You rock! After researching the vets on that site I decided on Dr.Kenneth Main. I just got off the phone with him and his secretary. Both were very polite and extremely informative. I'm all set up and my pup is getting cropped two days after he turns 8 weeks. He goes in at 8am and should be done around 1pm that day. $215 + deposite and includes two post checkups. I will post pics.

I'd say some kinda of a sticky should be on this forum to list and review vets that do this. It really is a difficult thing to find a legitimate vet and probably because of all the anti cropping stuff I keep reading about. I honestly cannot understand why people are so hell bent on telling other people what they can and cannot do in this country. It's like we are de evolving or something. To me the whole cropping thing is like a doberman right of passage.

Thank you again (even Control and Glen) for the help.

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I just looked at your dobies... BEAUTIFUL !

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Just to let you know I live near lansing and I know a vet that crops in lansing but I went to battle creek to have my babys ears done. The vet came highley recommend to me by my breeder and several other five owners I know this post is a little late but for future reference

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Wow major drama over nothing. I'm glad I live in Arkansas, our prices seem to be a whole lot less. I paid $230, and it included all aftercare. My vet does everything, including all the posting.

I was a little worried at first because he decided to try a really weird posting method on Isis, but after posting a thread on here and seeking some advice, I chose to tell him about my feelings, and he responded by posting them in the traditional way. I am mentioning this because I saw some people mentioning how long their vets had been cropping ears, well my vet has been cropping for 30 years, and I still ended up having problems with him. I think you have to go with your gut instinct on somethings, you know what is right for your puppy more than others sometimes.

I wish you the best of luck with your puppy! Hopefully you won't have the same problems ;)

Crys

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Hi there! I am getting a doberman puppy and I too live in Michigan! I was also looking for a vet around here that crops ears for a fair price! :) Could you tell me which vet in Lansing you found?
I'd REALLY REALLY appreciate it and it'd help alot! :D thanks!

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I am getting my dobe in a couple weeks and am looking for a good vet to crop his ears. I live in the detroit metro area in michigan. Can someone please recommend a good vet? Thanks