pseudopregnancy after spaying

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We had our girl spayed on Thurs.  She did well and seemed fine Friday (However, was on pain med).  Sat. a.m. she vomited, again Sunday a.m. and Monday a.m.  (just bile - no food).   At first I assumed it was just from empty stomach until she did it again Monday a.m.  I called the vet and they had me bring her to be seen.  She apparently had a silent pseudopregnancy that went unnoticed by both us and the vet prior to her spaying.  I feel so bad for her.  He said he hadn't seen one of these in years.   She isn't eating much and does seem to be sleeping a lot.  We've also noticed she is super alert and seems more intense when someone comes to our door than she EVER did before.  I am assuming it is from this hormone thing.  I've read some articles that are freaking me out that make me concerned she'll be more aggressive now and that she'll have more false pregnancies.  I am wondering if anyone out there has experienced this?   She has a sweet personality.  Even after what she went through being spayed, she was wagging her tail when she heard our vet and when he greeted her, she slapped a kiss on his face.    I don't want her disposition to change.  She does seem clingy and when she is up and around, she's pushy like she was when she was in heat.   I was so torn whether to spay or not and now I am just concerned that I should have done it.  

 

 

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I've read some articles that are freaking me out that make me concerned she'll be more aggressive now and

 

You should have done that reading BEFORE the surgery...

LOL!

 

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I did read up on spaying, etc.....Just didn't read anything until NOW about pseudopregnancy.   The articles I read were dogs spayed during a pseudopregnancy.  We were just not prepared for this.    When I checked her incision, I saw that she was lactating.  I'm just asking if anyone else has had this experience.   I followed the suggestion of waiting two months after heat cycle ceased - Thought we were doing the right thing.  We had no intentions of breeding her and didn't want her to be at risk for mammary cancer, unexpected pregnancy, etc.

 

 

 

 

I've never had one of my girls go into a false pregnancy, but know lots of people who have dealt with it.  I would not worry over much about it, but talking to your vet is definitely the right thing to do. 

Many years ago, I spayed a one year old bitch (my first Doberman and certainly not breed quality) while she was in heat.  There was a reason for it - we adopted a retired racing Greyhound that had JUST been neutered and our Doberman went into heat the week he came home..... technically, there are still swimmers in the tubes for up to a month after a neuter, and we REALLY didn't want any Greyhound/Doberman puppies. 

She had no change in personality, but did develop spay incontinence..... which we managed the rest of her life with Proin.  She died at age 11. 

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Since posting, I did read an article where this can just happen 2-7 days after spay.  I feel a little reassured.  She certainly isn't herself, but our vet thinks it is more due to the false pregnancy than the spaying.  Her incision looks great and he told us we must be doing a good job at keeping her calm.  He said when he saw she was on his schedule so soon after surgery, he thought it would be a seroma or stitches, etc.   Then, we told him about her vomiting, lack of appetite and lactating.    He said she'd be okay and things would die down once the hormones dissipate.   On the positive, she sure is resting a lot.  Her appetite still isn't what I would like to see, but she lights up over treats...so, I know it may just be her being picky now that she's getting spoiled.   

I know I probably shouldn't read so much and get so many conflicting opinions.  I certainly wouldn't think spaying would suddenly make her aggressive, but it did concern me since she must have been spayed during a silent false pregnancy and that was what the article was about.   Vet said her uterus was enlarged - LOL, but reassured us there were NO PUPPIES.   We never thought that because we were hypervigilant with her.

She is just the sweetest pup with people and other dogs - even my 19 year-old cat (who wants nothing to do with the dog).  However, she sure "sounds" aggressive if she sees someone in our driveway.  I don't want that to change AND I was concerned she'd now be prone to more false pregnancies, though I don't understand how they can go through this when there are no longer hormones produced???  

Thanks for at least reassuring me to not worry.  That was the impression I got from our vet, too.

 

 

 

 

 

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I did read up on spaying, etc.....

 

We've also noticed she is super alert and seems more intense when someone comes to our door than she EVER did before.  I am assuming it is from this hormone thing.  I've read some articles that are freaking me out that make me concerned she'll be more aggressive now and

 

Nope.

 

You acted first and decided to read / learn later...  

Good luck with that.

 

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DobermanGuy - you need to chill out. Many people here come to the forum to learn, whether it's after the fact or not.

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CRDobe  You are right.  I joined the forum to learn and get advice from those who have more expertise.  I knew he would have his 2 cents, so was prepared.  It is his attitude that has made me not want to use this forum any longer.   I've appreciated other's advice and was able to utilize some of it.  However, to be chastised as though I'm an incompetent pet owner is just plain BS.   Even the vet admitted he has not seen this in years.  This vet has been in practice for 39 years and is one of the best in our area.   I will take his advice before DobermanGuy.   

Thanks to everyone for your help and reassurance through our adjustment period with all these new experiences.

 

 

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CRDobe  You are right.  I joined the forum to learn and get advice from those who have more expertise.  I knew he would have his 2 cents, so was prepared.  It is his attitude that has made me not want to use this forum any longer.   I've appreciated other's advice and was able to utilize some of it.  However, to be chastised as though I'm an incompetent pet owner is just plain BS.   Even the vet admitted he has not seen this in years.  This vet has been in practice for 39 years and is one of the best in our area.   I will take his advice before DobermanGuy.   

Thanks to everyone for your help and reassurance through our adjustment period with all these new experiences.

 

 

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Heidi2 - I'm also on Doberman-chat forum and dobermantalk.com. I've had Dobes for years and I'm still learning things!

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Many people here come to the forum to learn, whether it's after the fact or not.

 

She asked questions before and was given a bunch of links to where she could learn more but disregarded them.

Now, She is pretty much stuck with the results of her actions.

 

Some people can't be helped... :)

 

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I wasn't going to come back on here but decided not to let one egocentric keep me from posting.  I chose to have our girl spayed. There are many reasons for this choice.  With all the controversy about delay the spay, etc., the vet said this pseuopregnancy is one of the reasons spaying before heat is good.  I am sure there are a lot more dobie parents out there that have spayed their pups.  Heidi is back to her normal self and full of energy.   The challenge now is to keep her calm so as not to hurt internal sutures.  We're making up all kinds of mind games for her.   I felt that I should post this in case there may be someone in the future who might go through this and needs reassurance.  

P.S.  I don't need any smart remarks.  

 

 

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P.S.  I don't need any smart remarks.

 

If you do happen to end up with a dog that has the urinary problems -

 

 

You could literally mark a box wherever with a blue tape outline and teach your Doberman that it was 'ok' to have any accidents there but...

 

You have no clue what your dog is capable of or any idea what the 'normal' behaviors are supposed to be for that sort of dog / sex / breed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know it is frustrating to give information and have it ignored, but chasing people away from a place that can help is not the right action. I've been doing the Doberman forums for at least 17 years, and know that you have to keep trying.... and if you are done with trying then just stop replying..... sometimes that IS the best advice.