In heat and shedding more

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Heidi just turned 8 months and she went into heat.  Our vet recommended if we could handle it, it was best to allow her at least one cycle before spaying.   So, this is a first for us and we are managing okay so far.  However, I have noticed that she seems to be shedding more.  We have had warm weather for this time of year, so maybe it is associated with this warm, dry fall we are having.   Also, please tell me the bleeding will be over soon.  It will be 10 days tomorrow.   

 

It usually takes about 3 weeks for all the discharge to end. Make sure you keep her safe from male dogs till she is totally done and her vulva has significantly shrunk.  10 days is normally the earliest a bitch is breedable .... so if you have unneutered male dogs in the area, they will start visiting soon.... I really can't stress how careful you need to be at this point. Some boys will go to extremes to get to in heat bitches!!

There are really a lot of hormones raging right now, so some coat loss may be normal. It could also just be seasonal. Try adding some fish oil or coconut oil (about a TB) to one meal a day. There are also some decent coat supplements on the market - you will find them at your pet food store. 

Make sure you wait at least 2 months after her heat is over before spaying - 3 months is generally ideal. 

It will be over in about another couple of weeks - hang in there!!

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Thanks for your response.  I already called the vet's office and they told me to call them in November to get her scheduled for the spaying.  

We do have a fenced yard and have not been taking her anywhere once she started into heat.   We do not let her out without us being out there with her.   When she goes out at night for last potty break, we keep an eye on her.   My hubby said that he heard 'howling' about 5:30 a.m. outside our window.  (We live near a field and woods in an area that there are coyotes, so THAT makes me nervous).    Heidi is on Day 14 now and the bleeding is getting less.  Unfortunately, today we started battling some diarrhea issues.  We had her on the vet prescribed Pro Plan Balance EN and she was doing great.  We then gradually introduced Pro Plan Focus for large breed puppies (vet suggested once we weaned her to this successfully to keep her on it until she is a year).   She was doing great, but I think I messed up.  Since she isn't getting her off leash trail runs, I have been working with her and using treats.   I think THAT caused the gastric flare-up, so here we go again with the Balance EN.    I am praying she outgrows this touchy belly thing.

 

 

At her age, I would transition her straight to adult food. I never feed puppy formula past 5-6 months. Good luck!

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Okay.  We will do that.  I think the vet was worried when we had to resort to the Pro Plan gastro EN that he was short-changing her but felt at her age she could handle not having the puppy food for the time we had her on it.  So, we will just finish this bag up and make the next bag adult.   I had read that somewhere else about after 6 mo not feeding puppy any longer.  

Thanks so much for your willingness to share knowledge.  

 

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 Heidi is on Day 14 now and the bleeding is getting less.  Unfortunately, today we started battling some diarrhea issues

Female dogs sometime lick themselves back there a little too much when they are in heat and this can often cause loose stools or an upset tummy. Might not be the food - Could very well be the other stuff that is messing her tummy and poopies up...

It is not uncommon at all.

 

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Thanks for your response.  I already called the vet's office and they told me to call them in November to get her scheduled for the spaying.  

Have they discussed any of the possible adverse reactions to that surgery with you yet? Have you done any homework on your own pertaining to the subject so that you can make a more informed decision?

What sort of Vet schedules that sort of stuff over the phone without a sit down consultation first so they can talk to the owner about all of the pros and cons?  

 

It is rediculously easy to underwear train a female Doberman. Most every single female I have ever had learned the underwear 'rules' before the end of their second cycle. (number one rule being: If you worm out of your underwear you BETTER be inside your crate when I find out)

When properly underwear trained a female Doberman makes zero messes inside the home and can pretty much go about their day normally with the exception of having to remove the underwear for potty breaks and the very small expense of the underwear and pads.

If I know mine are going to be out some place in public (especially if where their might be kids) and they are in heat I opt for either red or blue hanes underwear. Anybody asks about the underwear I calmly let them know that it ought to be obvious 'THAT dog is a super hero'. "Left her cape at home to keep her on the ground". It works... :)

 

 

 

There have been many, many studies done by very well respected Vets over the years with respect to the medical and behavioral effects of spaying female dogs. Talking about studies done within the last 10 years or so and not say 20 years ago or longer...

Longevity studies example:

In 2009, a Gerald P. Murphy Cancer Foundation study found a correlation between the age at which female Rottweilers are spayed and their lifespan.1 The study compared female Rotties who lived to be 13 or older with a group who lived the expected lifespan of about 9 years.

According to lead researcher Dr. David J. Waters, a professor in the Department of Veterinary Clinical Sciences (VCS) at Purdue University:

"Like women, female dogs in our study had a distinct survival advantage over males. But taking away ovaries during the first [four] years of life completely erased the female survival advantage.

“We found that female Rottweilers that kept their ovaries for at least [six] years were [four] times more likely to reach exceptional longevity compared to females who had the shortest lifetime ovary exposure."2

Because death from cancer is so prevalent in Rotties, researchers conducted a subgroup analysis of only dogs that did not die of cancer. This focused research further proved the strong association between intact ovaries and longevity.

Even in dogs that did not die of cancer, the females who kept their ovaries the longest were nine times more likely to achieve exceptional longevity (13+ years). Simply put, study results indicate removal of a Rottweiler’s ovaries significantly increases the risk for a major lethal disease.

 

Long-Term Health Risks and Benefits Associated with Spay / Neuter in Dogs:

http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf

One pertaining to things like agression and other behavioral changes after spaying:

http://www.naiaonline.org/uploads/WhitePapers/EarlySNAndBehaviorDuffySerpell.pdf 

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We have an excellent vet.   From Heidi's first visit to him he reviewed the pros and cons regarding the spaying issue.  He told us about the more recent studies, though controversial, still recommended we delay the spay.   The phone call was a result of needing to follow-up on the gastric issues and needed to know how far ahead they schedule.  He advised that she needs another month after ending her cycle.    

I appreciate the info and have been reading a lot of these studies.   In the longrun, the vet left it up to us.  We have had ongoing visits with her, so she isn't going into this cold.   We do understand the risks/benefits.  Our dog is a lifetime commitment and we want the best for her.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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My girl Dystopia just decided to go in heat. Which means that her sister is going to be doing it too in a few days... 

Happy freaking joy! (or not)

 

On the bright side Dystopia at least seems to have remembered the underwear rules from last time and has been doing great. She keeps them on and does not seem bothered at all. Need to stop by Wally world and get her a few new pairs. At 90lbs her butt is a little too big for the old ones I had been using. LOL!

Her sister is going to be a chore.