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Hi, im 17 yrs old, and want to get a puppy. i have done my research and i think the best breed for me is the doberman.
i have always felt this attraction towards the breed and have my uncles experiance to learn from and get guidance, but i dont want to put a dog through the potential stress of getting on and off a plane. (he lives in arizona.)
i have the time to commit and im looking for a companion as much as my dad wants me to have a boy-deterrant.
does anyone know of a good trustworthy breeder in the glove?

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We just found an amazing breeder just outside of Detroit her website is www.lyndobe.com

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Yay!  Another person from Michigan! :D  I went to LaDobry's out of Jackson, but all of her litters are gone :[  And, she doesn't breed often.  I googled "Doberman puppies in Michigan" and found some websites that had them for sale, then I went to those people's websites after getting the information. :]

The worst thing to do is go to the paper and buy a dog out of it. There are quite a few puppy millers in and around that area so I would caution you. The one link above appears to be an okay breeder, even with that many questions still need to be asked.

If you have researched on what type of breed you would fit best with then you need to equally spend that much time researching the breed itself. Do you know that the Doberman is top on the list for Cardio problems? Do you realize that this breed although healthy and running around the yard at age 2 could drop dead the next moment from this devastating disease without warning? Do you know that they have a bleeding disorder? There are so many things that you need to study on before totally deciding to get a Doberman. With this studying you will see why it is so important to buy from a reputable breeder. Go to the DPCA website and read through the vast library they have. They also have a breeder referral page. Many websites look good but when you know what to look for they no longer appear that way, EDUCATION is the ticket to finding anything of quality.

Best of luck on your search, take your time and do it right. This way you wont be disappointed in the end.

Just a note as I'm looking up one of the breeders mentioned above. One of them is breeding a bitch that is not even 1 -1/2 yrs old. This is not an acceptable practice at all! This dog is still maturing and hasn't even reached the age to have all of her health testing done. As you look through articles on the DPCA website it will teach you what is appropriate and why. I'm hoping this doesn't come off to strong it just really makes me sick when people breed their animals to young like this and advertise it like it's nothing. The picture of the female being bred still has posts in her ears, why the rush? It's to bad others support poor decisions like this.

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Not to warn you off but they are a very demanding breed.  They are very dominate and will quickly become the Alpha unless you are assertive and commanding in your attitude especially a male.  The Dober-teens as we call it are much like the teenage years of a child - they push every limit and break all the rules just to see if they can.  They are not the type to go lay down in the corner and entertain themselves, they not only want but expect you to entertain them.  They can be very obedient but if they know they don't have to be they will competely ignore you if allowed.

 

They are wonderful, caring, beautiful creatures but unless trained and handled properly they can be horribly mis-behaved pets. 


If you don't have a lot of expiriece in handling and training dogs, I would suggest getting something other than a Doberman for your first. 

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I can't say from personal experience but I haven't heard the best of things about Ladobry.  My husband and I personally went to see Lynn from Lyndobe at her home.  We visited with her and her dogs for about 3 hours!  She was so nice to talk to and had a lot of great experiences to share.  Her dogs were very well tempered and trained.  We were very very pleased in our experience with her and are actually getting a puppy from her in February.

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I haven't had any problems with Ladobry's at all.  Each person will have their own opinions about breeders, unfortunately.

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Like I said I can't speak from personal experience just what I heard...did you get a puppy from them?

I don't speak from personal experience with them either but  unfortunately some people do not research before they buy from others. It is not good ethics at all to breed a bitch that is not even old enough to have complete health testing done and is still maturing herself. Why put a female through this? Is it for pure money reasons? I don't see any reason on Gods green earth to do this. This bitch is just an average bitch nothing spectacular that would be such a pressing issue to do this breeding at this time. Wait until the bitch is done maturing herself and not a puppy to do a breeding.

Google ALL breeders names that you are thinking of buying from and see what it comes up with. Be aware though just because a breeder might not be able to be googled and find info does not mean they are "the ones" to buy from. Buyers need to research what testing needs to be done and why, what is an appropriate age to breed both males and females. Why is a breeder even breeding a pair of dogs? To populate the overpopulated earth with more dogs and for what reason? What do your breeding dogs contribute to the breeding pool and the future of the breed? Do you breed just to make a profit? Of course most will answer NO, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together.

Googling Doberman puppies and looking up websites is NOT a good way to find a breeder UNLESS you know what to look for. Then you are able to weed through all the puppy millers. Unfortuntely the area you are looking in is filled with them.

I will remind others that are looking for Dobermans to go to the DPCA website and read the articles then if you decide that the Doberman is the dog for you try contacting some on the breeder referral page. They may not have puppies available but might point you in other directions.

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Thanks again Desiree. as usual your insightful responses are extremely valuable and I hope anyone looking to acquire a Doberman will read your posts and do their homework.

Not every family is suited to a Doberman and there are so many of us who are uninformed as in what to look for and be guarded against..  Puppy mills, back yard breeders and newspaper ads have done nothing to promote this wonderful breed and in fact have hurt and made a decline in their future.

Responsible breeders who educate, and provide the most important information, testing, cropping, and crate training give these wonderful animals a great start to a great future..

Keep posting and hopefully, in time, everything will be as it should in the wonderful world of Doberland!

Much love and many thanks

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Thank you for all the info... I'm working on researching and I'm planning on getting a degree in animal behavior. I'm hoping to get a job working with some of these beautiful dogs, and I realize that you can't just google it, you have to ask experianced owners, trainers and experts, thats why I asked for help on this site instead of looking in the public section of the paper. I also realize that dobermans have an aggressive attitude, not mean or vicious. I know that dobes are dominating and the pups are VERY rebellious. I've been speaking to my uncle about them since I was like, 10, and I think I'm ready, plus, my dad grew up with a household of them, and if I'm doing something wrong, you can believe he will tell me.

Again, thanks for the info... its really helpful insight, and i like the look of Lyndobe, but im still looking.

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Responsible breeders generally have a contract that goes along with their puppies stipulating that they must be spayed/neutered, that you have to contact them if you can't keep the puppy in the future, etc.  At 17, I don't think you're legally able to sign a contract so you may find that it's difficult to buy from a responsible breeder at this time. 

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I got one through LaDobry's and I had to fill out a forum to get "approved".  Once I've been ok'ed to get the puppy, it doesn't exactly mean I'm still getting one.  She goes by what will work best in the home.  For instance, we started with one puppy that we had thought would have made a good fit, but as soon as she noticed the puppy steering away from the other pups she called me and recommended a different one (because my mom has a dog, too).  And Roxi (the puppy I was able to get) LOVES other animals and people at any age!  She only sells them on a contract basis (for females).  There's 3 different contracts.  1 is you breed and she keeps the puppies (which is what I have because I have no experience in Doberman pups, or breeding any dog at all), 2 is where you breed and she takes 2 and you take the rest, and 3 is spade contract.  When I breed Roxi she will be 2 years old because she does not breed before that.  She has been breeding herself for over 18 years, and her mom bred Dobermans before she began.  All of her dogs are AKC registered and she is set up through AKC to breed Dobermans, so everything she does is by the book.  If I cannot take care of her for whatever reason (even death) she will get the dog back to place the dog into another home herself.  All of her dogs come cropped and docked and they do not leave her home until after the stitches are healed so she can watch for infection.  She's really great to work with and really cares about her dogs.

 

She even questioned letting me get a puppy because of my age (25) because we have no children and plan on getting one.  She hates seeing young couples get a Doberman, then hearing about the dog being chained outside because they had a kid.  Luckily, we live within blocks of all schools and there are kids running around outside all of the time, so we can keep Roxi socialized with any age of child.

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Roxi, with all due respect, one does not get "set up through the AKC" to breed dogs.  All they do is register purebred dogs, and perform inspections of high volume kennels or kennels that have received complaints. 

Since Roxi is a puppy, how does your breeder know she is worthy of being bred when she is 2?  And what will you/she be doing to prove her merits before breeding?  Will you be showing her?  Doing her health testing?  Temperament testing her? 

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My dad looked at Lyndobe and thought her dogs looked good. I don't think I want to breed, because I don't want to cause irreparable harm by doing something without knowing EXACTLY what I'm doing. I want to get a male, doesn't matter what color, so long as he's healthy and happy. I'm looking forward to going through the process, and if I'm to young, I guess I'll have to wait. I love the info I'm getting on this site, its so helpful. I've been reading a lot of forums and it's put so many things i perspective for me. Like cropping, I didn't realize how long it takes to get the ears to stand!

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 I thought about agility, but I don't know where to go as in my area they only show farm animals; and I live too far away from any city to drive there.  So, we're training her to be a service animal.  There has already been service dogs that came from her, and Roxi has a great temperament.  Health screenings are a must and part of my contract.

I'm going to say this one last time and not post anymore on this particular topic. They are breeding a bitch that is still a puppy at 1.5 yrs of age. This is to young to have all health testing done and their is no reason to do this kind of a breeding. What does she have to offer the Doberman world? Some people are collectors of animals and breed for money. They don't do anything with their dogs and breeding a bitch at 1.5 yrs of age is not respectable in my books and it should be frowned upon by all.

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 http://www.gorrmaedobermans.com

 

i looked up this one and i want to know if it looks good, i asked my dad and he told me ok, but i wanted experienced advice.

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rnd is most certainly right. 1.5 years is way too young to start breeding a female. It's too young to even properly certify the hips, and it's just plain too young. She's still a goofy puppy at that age.

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I have a female from Gorrmae, and have bred to a couple of males that she produced.  My girl is Shelby - you may have seen her and a couple of her kids on the website.  There will be a feature on the breeder in the next issue of Doberman Digest. 

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LaDobry's do not breed before the age of 2, it is in the contract.  I have to take Roxi back after she turns 2 to breed her.  It's just a picture of the girl that will be bred.  She even told me that no matter what breed of dog, a female should not be bred before the age of 2, and she hates seeing it when it happens.  She keeps track of all of her Dobes that she places with people, and if close enough, even does house checks.  She has told me before that once she went to a house visit and the people were mistreating a pup (beating and starving the dog), so she took the dog back.  She's even told me her story as to why she has a passion for the Doberman breed.  It's even stated in my contract that if for any reason I cannot take care of Roxi, she will be placed back at LaDobry's.

As I've said before, any breeder (whether they have a good reputation or not) will have positive or negative feedback, it all depends on the person looking for the dog.  I kind of feel like I'm not being listened to on this.  I'm working with LaDobry's as I do have a pup from there.  So, when I hear people talk bad about LaDobry's (without really talking to the breeder), I feel like my pup is being attacked.  I'm sure that's not what people are meaning by it, but that's just how I feel.

I hope I don't get flamed now :[

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No one is "inflaming" you!! Everyone on this forum has nothing but the best interests of the wonderful Doberman breed in mind.

We have all been here long enough to see BYB come and go, as well as the pups they sell.. The only thing we're doing is to ask you to please do your homework on the breeder. Look ( and ask for) the health reports. Ask about crate training and ear posting..

.Don't let "puppy fever" get in the way of your informed decision. 

Informed is the key word here. Good luck with your new baby and don't stop asking questions and getting all the information you need and want to give a great pup a great home.

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when I hear people talk bad about LaDobry's (without really talking to the breeder), I feel like my pup is being attacked.

I think that it is very important for owners to be able to separate their feeling about their puppy that they love from being able to look logically at the puppy's breeder.

I was just visiting the La-Dobry site.  The first thing that leaps out at me is how they say they stress on breeding for health.  Yet, there isn't one La-Dobry Doberman in the OFA database.  I did see one mention that they were "going to" do a dog's hips through OFA but they apparently bred him without doing it anyway.  They say they are "going to" do the new cardiac DNA test, but one can't help but wonder when they didn't do the hip testing they said they were going to do.  The only health tests mentioned on the site is the odd vWD result and the odd partial thyroid result.  The responsible breeders of Dobermans are having annual cardiac exams and Holter monitoring, evaluations for hip and elbow dysplasia, CERF eye exams for heritable eye disease, full thyroid panels, vWD DNA test and liver panels.  For someone that says they emphasize health, they fall way short in the health testing department. 

They say they are breeding for health and temperament.  Where are the temperament certifications?  I didn't see any.  So, they're falling short there, too. 

Why can't they breed for conformation at the same time as allegedly breeding for health and temperament?  They say they breed for conformation last.  IMO, we are supposed to be breeding for it ALL. 

It's not an attack on you to ask you what is going to be done with Roxi to prove she is a breeding candidate.  I asked you that further up the page, and you didn't answer.  Right now, it sounds like her turning 2 makes her good enough to breed.  We are in a nation that is euthanizing upwards of 8 million animals a year.  It's just not good enough to be producing pets when there are so many dying annually in shelters.  We should be breeding the best of the best, and having actual proof of the merits of our dogs when it comes to conformation, health, temperament and performance ability. 

It's not an attack on your dog to ask you to look at the big picture beyond the one puppy you love. 

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Another point of interest regarding the La-Dobry site is that they include some letters after some dogs' names in their pedigrees as if they are titles when they are not, which I think is either grossly misinformed or purposely misleading. 

I saw RWD and RWB after some names.  That stands for Reserve Winners Dog and Reserve Winners Bitch.  The Winners Dog and Bitch are the ones that earn points at a show.  The Reserve is like first runner up.  In any case, the reserve did NOT win anything, and it's sure not a title, nor is it a selling point for anyone that knows better.  To put it into perspective, there could be 2 males at a show.  One is going to be the Winners Dog and get the point (actually they wouldn't even get a point with such a low entry if it were in the US), and the other is going to be Reserve Winners Dog and get nothing and is, in fact, the loser to put it bluntly.  The only time that the Reserve Winners has much meaning is if it occurs at something like the national specialty where there are hundreds of Dobermans defeated to even get that far, and those dogs defeated were pretty much the cream of the crop.  Nevertheless, I've never seen a breeder put RWD or RWB on a pedigree. 

Another strange addition to the pedigrees is BIM, which stands for Best In Match.  A match is a practice show.  It's where clubs learn to put on shows, judges train to become judges, ring stewards learn how to ring steward, and puppies are shown for ring experience.  There are no points, it's not a real show.  While winning Best In Match is a fun thing to do (I've done it), again, it's not a "title", and it holds little real meaning. 

It's things like this that the novices don't know.  They see all those letters and they're impressed.  The people who have been around the block can recognize when someone's trying to build up something they're not. 

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I was duped and am not happy with the person I purchased my dog from... I posted about it. I don't think anyone here is attacking you or your puppy. I love Cisco and am glad I got him but, I will have all his testing done on my own and hope for the best. I got puppy fever and thought I did enough research... Then I bought the puppy and poof I don't get nearly the responses I have needed from my breeder. I will not be going to her again.

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Good for you, cisco, for being able to separate your feelings about your puppy from your feelings about his breeder.  Just because you love your puppy doesn't mean you have to love your breeder, unless there are good reasons to!

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So, I was looking at the La-Dobry site some more this evening and noticed some other interesting stuff. 

For instance, La-Dobry's High Jacker Of Hearts was born June 15, 2008.  And he sired a litter born on September 13, 2009 making him about 13 months old when he was bred.  A 13 month old male is really still a puppy, and certainly had no meaningful health testing at that age.  I mean, I've got a young male here that is 29 months old.  In the last 5 months, he has gained 15 pounds and done a lot of maturing and filling out as males tend to do later.  That La-Dobry male didn't get the chance to even grow up before he was siring litters.  And now, of course, he's for sale.  I guess they got what they want out of him so now he's out the door.

Then we have La-Dobry's Crystal Chandlier - she had a litter on September 9, 2009 and then again on May 14, 2010.  Back to back, no rest in between.   Responsible breeders generally let one litter grow up some and see what they've actually produced before racing to breed the dam again, and they generally give the bitch a break between litters. 

It's interesting that Labrody's have taken down the picture of the 2 dogs that were to be bred and the ages of them in just the past couple of weeks. Originally they had the picture of a puppy bitch still in full ear wraps and the male she was to be bred to, stacked side by side like it was something to brag about. Both of the pics had the DOB of both dogs and she was not even 1.5

It is not that anyone is attacking you or your puppy, it is to help educate other unknowing people that are trying to find a puppy look for certain things and avoid people who breed carelessly.

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I too have been researching/investigating breeders to get a new pup from in the spring.I started back in August and I must say my opinion it has been a challenge but I am still at it!! I have enjoyed reading through this forum and must say if I post a comment I accept any response good or bad from anyone I myself am a "upfront/to the point person" and respect and accept responses if I would agree with them or not.I am from Pa and so far have not come across any breeders my way that have impressed me.(although still looking) I too have been reaseraching on Gorrmae dobes and a few others I also have scratched about 30+ breeders off my list.Like I said still doing my homework also.I also was planning on getting a red but at the present time I am 50/50 if I would like red or black I have learned and said to my husband I walk the dogs now but have a feeling I may become a jogger when I get a dobe! LOL

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cf~ I will have to get in touch w/ you and ask what breeders you have researched and what you didn't like about them. I am looking in PA, OH, MD, VA....

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oh my gosh glengate, your baby is absolutely gorgeous. i like the look of  Gorrmae and my dad did to, he said i have to wait until next summer, when i graduate. I've got awhile to go yet. i hope to get a dog to train in agility and S&R. oh my goodness, thank god for spell check.

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http://www.avodobermans.com/

 

i was looking @ this breeder... any advice?

I can tell you that Gormae and Avo are not in the same category as far as breeders go. Gormae is a well respected and well known breeder. They breed quality dogs, do appropriate health testing and DO NOT breed for profit the same dam and sire year after year, litter after litter.

I would also be curious if you are looking at the AVO breeder how those puppies are raised. They show lots of photos of the puppies in the very small whelping box. Even the pictures taken later are in this same small box. I can tell you our large litterbox is used only until they are 3to4.5 weeks old then their entire world changes. By the time our puppies leave they have been on every surface imaginable, used to eating in all different environments, and they are crate trained.Take a look at my website and the puppy photo journal of our last litter. www.rnddobermans.net This will give you an idea of the kind of things that you want a breeder to do with your puppies especially if you are interested in agility and S&R.

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thx rnd, i was just wondering, i was concerned about them breeding the same pair time and time again, gormae looks good and i see what your talking about with the whelping boxes. i get a lot of good info from you, please keep doing what your doing, your a saint.

 

is it true that you should only breed a bitch twice in her life??? i heard that somewhere, and i was wondering.

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The point of responsible breeding is to try to improve the breed.  You're not doing that when you just keep breeding the same dogs over and over and over again.  Most responsible breeders will only breed a bitch 2 or 3 times, maybe 4 if she is a really spectacular producer and by that, I mean she is producing quality puppies that are advancing the breed by finishing championship and performance titles. 

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thx... my dad is thinking about contacting Gormae. ive been doing more research and found some breeders in europe, and i decided i like the look of the stockier german lines than the thin american lines... just preference i guess, not that there's anything wrong with the thinner ones... i think my preference comes from my uncles dogs, as his are all of the german lines.

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Avortman was actually an active member on this forum up until a little over a year ago.

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yeah... thats why i asked... i was looking @ other topics and i found one they put on here. i was just lookin at random stuff and was wonderin.

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http://thunderstormdobermans.com/

 

my dad was researching and he liked the look of this breeder. they include health testing info on the site, but im concerned with the amount of emphasis they put on prey drive and bite strength... should i be concerned?

dad has also decided that he would be willing to go to indiana, ohio, or wisconson for a dog... any other good breeders? 

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I looked at Thunderstorm before decided NO in the 1st minute of looking at their website,the barking is annoying,the girl looks like a hooker,they look like thugs,they accept paypal from anyone,and the pic of the dog in the cemetary,etc the whole thing gives me the creepes about these people and their dogs.Just looks like a lot of BS to me.Just my opinion.So before even reading or investigating further into the dogs I got off the website.

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see if you can go to any dog shows in your area during your search also that is a great way to see dogs and meet breeders and ask questions.(infodog.com) I started doing that this past summer also.

Here is a link from Doberman talk forums regarding this breeder.

http://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding-breeders/39787-thunderstorm-doberma...

 

I would suggest that if you are looking for a Euro type dog that you get on that particular talk forum and start researching. They have great resources to help you find what you are looking for and to stay away from the bad. I think this will be another good resource for you.

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Wow... some of those story's are realy heart-wrenching. i think i found another breeder i like... gotta ask dad though.

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Uh, sounds to me like you get better information here than from your dad when it comes to breeders.  I have no idea why he would have thought the last breeder you mentioned was one to consider. 

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idk... I talked to him about it and he said that he heard from someone someone that they were good and he looked them up... i think he may have fallen in love with one of the dogs. i told him i was concerned and he looked further into them and decided for himself that he didn't want one of their animals, and was looking @ other sites.

I think you have been given very good advice throughout this posting. To recap:

1.Good place to look is the DPCA website (breeder referral)
2.Google breeders names and kennel names and see what all you come up with
3.Go to the Doberman talk forum website and search for breeders on it, it may be the breeder you are looking at someone has already asked about.
4.Go to dog shows and talk to people at the shows in your area.
5.Finding breeders out of the paper is not a good thing.
6.Look for breeders that do appropriate health testing as well as properly socialized puppies. Ear cropping

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yeah, I've also read through other posts and learned that Dobermans are the best breed and that, like potato chips... you cant have just one. ♥ just when you think you want to scream and pull out your hair, they do something soo cute, you forget why you were going crazy in the first place. BYB's are bad  ... but who didn't know that???  There are so many different factors when it comes to raising and training a healthy, happy dobe, it's almost overwhelming. and the world isn't really in trouble..... some people actually have good taste in movies!!!!!! ♥ everyone on this site cares sooo much for the breed, it makes me want to become part of the dobe owning community even more. ♥   

anyways... if any of you can recommend breeders in Indiana, Ohio, or Wisconsin... i went onto the dpca website, and the breeders that have sites are all really confusing to try and navigate. 

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Hi everyone!

 

I'm new to posting, but I've been reading for a few weeks.  I will be looking to get a dobe puppy in the next 6-18 months and I live in Michigan.

After reading this thread, I thought I'd throw out a few names that I've delt with and see if anyone else has had any positive or negative experiences with these breeders.

 

I have met lyndobe http://www.lyndobe.com/ .  I met her at a dogshow and eventually struck up a conversation with here.  She seems to be very nice and we were able to stop in her home, see where the puppies grow up and meet a bunch of well-behaved beautiful dobes.  I have heard recently some disturbing things recently, though, some folks at dog shows I've been to accuse her of breading too many litters a year.   Has anyone else had any thoughts or experiences?  Good or bad?

 

I have also been meeting on and off with a pair of breaders (also met a dog show).  One girl's name is Sherry (not sure if spelling is correct) - she's a nice lady who has a wheelchair and a bunch of beautiful dobes. 

Sherry is working with Donna Wojan at Donto Kennels - some sort of partnership I think - Co-breaders I think they said. (http://www.dontokennels.com/).  I have only met her briefly, but her website seems nice.

Any advice on the three breaders above?  These are three that I am considering (keep in mind I have yet to really start the research process yet - If I've learned anything from this site, I've learned I need to have a thourgough go over at DCPA.com before doing anything.

 

Thanks in advance!

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Hey! I'm 17 years old and want a doberman too! I also live in Michigan!
XD Great mines think alike! Let me know if you found a good breeder or rescue around here.
I know most breeders around here charge over $500 for just a doberman which is a bit out of my budget just for the dog/pup