Colorado breeders and inbreeding issues?

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Hi!  I'm looking to get a puppy and could use your advice on a breeder. Pup will be a family pet first, and do obedience training at my military base to keep challenged and active (not necessarily for protection). Health is a big priority for me. No preference between American or Euro.

 
This is a breeder I've been looking at: (www.wcdobermans.com). It would be nice to buy local so I can visit in person. But I'm worried about health (looks like they bred cousins together?). Is this normal/safe? I avoided White Sage Dobermans after reading a thread here about their inbreeding and lack of viewable pedigrees.
 
I'm looking to spend somewhere between $1000-$2000. I understand price doesn't necessarily reflect health and vise versa. So really I just want to find a good, honest, ethical breeder. Any help with the above listed breeder, or can anyone recommend one to me? I'm willing to look out of state if someone can vouch for them. Thanks!

I see no mention of health testing or any titles on their dogs. That male, Lucifer, looks to have the worst top line I've ever seen.  I only looked at the pedigree of the Lucifer dog - which is mostly Britton Farms - a known puppy mill. 

I'd pass on the breeder - and I use that term loosely - haha. Go the the DPCA breeder list and/or the UDC (United Doberman Club) list. Be aware that plenty of really good breeders do not have websites. 

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I also see no compelling reasons to consider this breeder beyond the fact that they have puppies.  You can do a lot better.

Please spend some time on this resource:

http://glengate.webs.com/buyingguide.htm

 

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Thanks for the honest feedback. I'll check that link. Any specific questions to ask breeders? Health certificate, testing, what else? (I've only adopted purebred, never bought).

There is great information in Glengates website that will help you develop a list of questions. 

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I received a private message who recommended this breeder (after chatting about wanting a dog for obedience).  They are located in Serbia and called "Unreachables."  The idea of importing is a bit terrifying for me. Pups are health checked and come cropped/docked.

The father is Tahi reme Pacino, and the mother is Kimba Ginga House.

Sire info here:
http://www.unreachables.net/pacino.htm

Dam info:
female Kimba Ginga House
vwd -clear
dcm-negative​
Hip - B rating
Tyroid - normal
heart echo -normal

Back yard breeder or legit?

I don't know enough about exporters in Europe to have an opinion about this breeder. I will tell you that "dcm - negative" could mean anything. Many breeders are jumping on the dcm dna markers - of which there are now 2 out of who knows how many actual markers there may be for cardio in Dobermans. Those markers are really more for reseach purposes as they really don't predict who will and who won't get cardio. Doing yearly cardio ultrasounds and 24 hour holter monitors are a breeders best method of determining if a dog does or does not have cardio AT THAT time. A dog that has a clear cardio exam one year, may start developing it by the next year. 

Cardio testing should list the month/year it was done - it is not a once done kind of test. 

What I would ask the breeder for is a pedigree marked with causes of death and age at death. Ask about health of siblings if they have it. 

Then remember that breeders don't sell their best to unknown people across the ocean. I'd be very hesitant to buy a dog from a breeder in europe sight unseen..... that is just my opinion. 

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Thanks, I'm learning more each day about all these health markers/tests.  I will ask follow up questions and do some more research.

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It would probably be best to just stop looking at breeder websites all together until you are more educated about what you're looking for and know the questions to ask the breeders and know what kind of answers are appropriate answers to your questions.  

If I were looking for my first Doberman, I wouldn't be looking to import from someone that may not even speak my language (maybe they do?  I don't know, but I do know I'd want to be able to easily contact my breeder for support.)

ditto to Glengate - very good advice!

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Are you still looking for a puppy? I know a breeder here in Az that still has a few pups. I've been talking with him for the last year and a half mostly waiting for a new batch of pups. I wasn't in a position where I could afford one a year and a half ago. I am now and I have my pup. His Dobies are all AKC with a good bloodline. If your still looking send me a message.

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I actually ended up going the rescue route.  Got myself an adorable 1 yr old named Yen!  She has grown into a healthy, confident girl and I hope she stays that way (her background is quite the mystery to me).  I think I'll wait a few years before thinking about getting her a puppy companion.  She's quite the energetic handful as is, haha.  But now I'm hooked on Dobermans and I don't think I'll ever own another breed.

This could help out anyone else looking for AKC pups through! 

 

 

 

Best of luck to you on your new girl! Rescue is a great way to start in the breed 

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