CAN 2 MALE DOBERMANS LIVE TOGETHER?

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i might be planning to buy another doberman pup probalbly in the spring of 2012. dillinger will be going on 3 yrs old then. i really would love another male, but i heard alot of stories about 2 males fighting and id have to keep the seperated in my home etc. is there any truth to this?

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Lots of different answers will most likely follow this question.  My personal experience, watching my sister in law's two male dobe littermates grow up in the same household makes me want to say "NOT a good idea", although there are people that have successfully had more than one male doberman in their pack.  Takes a lot of work and training to accomplish it, though.  There are multiple threads in this forum about this very thing.  Here's a couple of them:

http://www.gentledoberman.com/forums/doberman-pinscher-discussion/genera...

http://www.gentledoberman.com/forums/training-doberman-pinscher/behavior...

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Yeah I would go with a girl!

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Thank u Zivas dad, for those very useful links. i will be reading all of them .. mike

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You might get a lot of opinions Mike, ( after all this is a Forum.. lol) Some will say it's a recipe for disaster, some might think it's a brilliant idea. And everything in between (all depending on their personal experiences. ) As for me, I would not.

Dobermans are unique at best, and to tempt fate and possibly place yourself and the pups in a negative/possibly dangerous enviornment..Why?

Is there a specific reason you want another male?

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Get a girl - you an Dill will be far happier. Same sex is a lot of work with any breed, with this power breed? You don't need anything else to add to the workload.

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Yeah, Save yourself from some headaches. Get a female.

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Don't do it.  Can it work?  Sure. It's possible. But if it doesn't, do you have it in your heart to risk one of your dogs being injured, or killed, and after a few years having to rehome what will now be labeled an "aggressive dog" since it has been in an attack?  Many times, these dogs are then considered unadoptable, and put down.  The risk is way, way too big to take, in my opinion.  If your dogs will display male aggression, it typically doesn't come out until maturity, around 2 years or older.  By that time, there is such an attachment, that it will kill you to get rid of one.  I have seen way, way too many people disregard the info that's out there, then down the road have their hearts broken.

Same sex aggression with dobermans is something that's in them.  If they have it, no level of training will help.  It would be like trying to teach a dog to live without eating, or going to the bathroom... it just can't happen.  Plus, no responsible breeder would give you a male if you have a male in the house.  If you are talking to a breeder, and they think it's ok, that should be a huge warning sign to stop talking to them.  They only care about your money.  If they do end up being aggressive towards each other, you have 2 options.  First, you can rehome one.  The ONLY other option would be to keep them separated, 100% of the time, for the rest of their lives.  They can never play, see each other, be in the same room, etc.  You will have to split your house, and put barriers so they can't even see each other.  It's quite ridiculous what it takes to make it "work"

With dobermans, the best and safest bet is always opposite sex dogs.  There's plenty of people out there that have had 2 of the same sex, and everything was fine.  But the odds are better that things won't be fine.  IMO, seems like a huge gamble, and too big of a risk.  I'm sure there's plenty of people who have surived a gun shot, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to go out and get shot, because others have been ok afterwards.

My advice, read the info that's out there.  because of same sex aggression, there's even a part of the doberman standard that says that aggression towards other dogs is not considered a fault.

  Viciousness: A dog that attacks or attempts to attack either the judge or its handler, is definitely vicious. An aggressive or belligerent attitude towards other dogs shall not be deemed viciousness.

A quick google search of "Doberman same sex aggression" should give you all of your answers.

 

Best of luck!

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" I'm sure there's plenty of people who have surived a gun shot, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to go out and get shot, because others have been ok afterwards."

Good way to put it Kevin.

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Very Well Put Jes and Kevin (love the same quote as gunny- so true!)

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Have you ever owned two males of any other breed?  We had two GSD - one we adopted the other we bought.  They arent' exactly like dobermans, but enough that I can say, for us, I would NEver do two males again!  Did we ever have a fight?  No.  Did we word our rear ends off to avoid it?  Yes.  Like Kate said, lots of opinions - that was mine.  Is there a reason you wouldn't want a female?  I'm sure you'll figure out the best choice for you and Dillinger.

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Well i always loved male dobermans.  and i love the size of males compared to females.

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thank u all for very wise advice.  i am leaning very very much toward a female now....

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Don't think that female dobermans are all small----Ziva is 27.5 inches at the shoulder and weighs just under 100 lbs, and very muscular.  She is always being mistaken for a male because of her size.

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Euro-lined females tend to be bigger- My girls mama was about size of Ziva and so was Cisco's mama. Though Raven is going to be on the small side for a euro- female. She is about 25" right now at almost a year and around 70 lbs.

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My two males, a GSD and a toy poodle, detest each other. The one time that they got close enought to get each other, Patch, the toy poodle, was attacked by Chief. Now, Chief is strictly an outside dog, and Patch is an inside/outside dog (we have a large balcony/patio built so we keep the "inside" dogs out there while we're not home). Ever since that happened to Patch, we almost never let him down onto the ground property unless Chief is locked up in his kennel (which he's pried apart a few times). My advice? DO NOT GET TWO MALES, NO MATTER WHAT BREED. Sure it'll work sometimes, but other times, it would be hard to keep them apart.

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Dillinger's Master - I am glad that you are now considering a female. I can only give you my experience. In 1994 my female (Trudy) and male (Hans) had a litter of puppies. for several reasons I was left with three and decided to keep them, 1 male and 2 female. All was well until Willy the male pup was about 10 months old and papa started going after him. I could never have them loose together after that point. About 9 months after that point, I lost Hans to kidney failure at the age of 11 1/2. Interestingly enough, while I never had a problem between Trudy (mama) and either of the female pups, but the bigger of the two was always going after the smaller, so I had to keep them separate for the rest of their lives (a big pain).

Until recently I had three males in the house. Two Min. Schnauzers and Red my 8 year old Dobe whom I lost in mid July to cancer in the lungs. For the first six years, he always wanted to play with the Schnauzers, but they would panic if I let him out for at his heaviest, he was 7 times their size. But, he never went after either of the males, until Princess came into heat the first time, and then he went after the youngest Min. Schnauzer male with a vengence. Fortunately, they were in the utility room and I was right there. Up to that point, I was convinced you could have a male Doberman with a male (or two) of another breed and all would be ok.

Recently I went through a decision process on getting another Dobe puppy to keep Princess company as I have noted that two generally get along better than a solo, especially since I do not have the abilty to exercise them to the point of tireing them out. I was considering another female, as a male generally likes to mark his territory (house), but rembering the closest I ever came to seeing a full out fight between two Dobermans, was between my first Dobe, a black female named Windy and a strange black female who came in the door of the vet's office where we were. It was all the other owner and I could do to keep them apart. Two female Dobermans can be as bad as two males, with exceptions of course. Glengate keeps 8 full grown Dobermans in the house and I have no idea how she makes that work. Two is enough for me.

My next puppy will be a little red male.

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 Thankx for that info RGREEN4 i will not be getting a male doberman... from what i have been reading. I also have a female daushound beagle mix.MEME she is about 10 yes old .she is spaded. she was left to me when my dad died in 09. for the most part they get along great. even while eating together. once in a while when i let them both out in the backyard to go to the bathroom or to play, Dillinger can be very rough on her. and i make ME ME come inside. in the house no problem for the most part. O btw Dillinger is nuetered. and i will be planning to spade the new female doberman when the time comes. i will be asking questions on this site when to spade her when the time comes. thank you all for your help.

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I do not know if having 2 males is a good idea.  About 15 years ago I decided to keep 2 males from the same litter.  As they growth up they decided they did not like each one bit at all.  After the teenager stage they were fighting at each chances they had.  I had to segregate them in a different part of the house and have only one at the time with me, as well as going outside.

 

Of course the mother was in charge and no one boy of her would have authority over her, even if they were almost twice as big as her.  Nobody messes with MAMA! 

 

In those years I did not knew much about dog psychology and I must admit I was very ignorant.  Back then I never learn about a guy name Cesar Milan and his way of training dogs. I believe if I have knew about his philosophy I would have able to have both of my dogs behave properly.  Then maybe not...